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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 02:58:53
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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I've been toying around with the idea of this army for a while. Basically, I want Zhufor and his warband, so I'm avoiding a lot of the esoteric stuff like Raptors and Obliterators, and just sticking to Berzerkers for the bulk of the army and his Terminator bodyguard. As a result, it's pretty one dimensional, but I want to build this army based on fluff rather than competitiveness. It's a little short of anti-tank, but I've buried some power fists in there.
HQ
Lord Zhufor
Elites
Chaos Terminator Squad x 4
Terminator Champion
Icon of Khorne
Reaper Autocannon
Combi-Melta x 3
Power Fist x 4
Troops
Khorne Berzerkers x 10
Skull Champion
Power Fist
Rhino
Khorne Berzerkers x 10
Skull Champion
Power Fist
Rhino
Khorne Berzerkers x 10
Skull Champion
Power Fist
Rhino
Heavy Support
Chaos Land Raider
1500pts
Aside from the lack of anti-tank, am I going to run into serious problems? Like I said, I want to stick to my fluff.
edit - modified because I'm now using Zhufor.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2010/10/03 08:16:25
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 11:10:38
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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My initial thought: Who is Zhufor? So thanks for making me look him up, was a interesting read. How are you gonna kit him? I couldn't find any rules for him so. You could almost run him as Abbadon or Huron I guess, but probably something like:
Chaos Lord, terminator, MoK, powerfist/powersword 140/150 Points
I'd drop the Reaper in the terminator squad. It's to expensive and since you're gonna get up close and personal, you won't need the range. Get another Combi-weapon in there or some lightning claws.
Can't tell you how you're gonna perform, if they pop your transports early you're gonna get it, but if you manage to get into range before that....blood for the blood god =)
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Woff, I'm a Cow! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 11:21:27
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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He's got rules in Imperial Armour Seige of Vraks volume 3. Basically, he's a Chaos Lord with the MoK, a power weapon, power fist with built in short range, high RoF bolter and +1 strength because he's big. I'll probably keep his rules, they fall in with how I was going to arm him anyway.
Swapping lightning claws in for the reaper sounds like a good idea. And I realized I would have problems if they managed to take out the Rhinos early, but hey, I'm not trying to be super competitive here, I just want a very Khornate force, but I don't want to hurt myself too badly by going overly fluffy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 14:51:01
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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You could add some Khorne daemons if you wanna get some variation. If you removed one berzerker squad and switched to lightning claws you could add a greater daemon and 15 lesser ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/03 23:55:30
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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Are daemons good? I was a bit annoyed when I saw they were changed to generic greater and lesser daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 09:59:07
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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Greater daemons are great, like daemon princes without wings and psychic power. Lesser ones are best in big groups and can be really usefull for contesting objetcs in the later turns. But they're kinda depending on that you get them on turn 2-3 so you can DS them right on top of the enemy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 11:03:03
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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this list looks very nice, i think you don't need lesser deamons...
it looks fluffy but they are not so good (2 strenght 4 attcks) when they come down they can be shot realy fast, and with a 5+ invurnable i think they shall not make it in the first turn when they are on the table...
but if you want them, then you must decide it by you're self (take a great unit of it!)
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don't think, you have to know it if you want to be a commander 
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 14:55:52
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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You got those numbers backwards Imperial Commander, it's 4 strenght and 2 attacks. But I agree thought, more than 10 or don't bother with them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 16:22:57
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Khorne Rhino Driver with Destroyer
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you should try out a 10 man squad with MoK, a PF champ, and 2 meltaguns in 1 or 2 of those rhinos. This'll keep you fluffy but give you some badly needed anti tank
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/04 23:53:41
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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Bertimismaximus wrote:you should try out a 10 man squad with MoK, a PF champ, and 2 meltaguns in 1 or 2 of those rhinos. This'll keep you fluffy but give you some badly needed anti tank
That's actually a good idea. Also still use World Eaters parts, since Chaos Marines get bolt pistol/chainsword.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 00:28:12
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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World Eaters are a lot of fun to play, but you should give some guys meltas. Going all Berzerkers is fun, but taking a squad of guys with two meltas is practical.
However, taking Chosen with 5 meltas with do some serious damage to your opponent, as they can infiltrate and can fire those first turn. Not too shabby.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 00:52:06
Subject: Re:1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
Australia
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Hey, cool to see someone else who is interested in Lord Zhufor. Just to add to Loki’s original post about Lord Zhufor’s rules, Zhufor’s +1 strength is added to his base profile, not when CC attacks are made, therefore his base strength is 5 and is capable of strength 10 power fist attacks. He also has the Eternal Warrior USR and is able to take a bodyguard/retinue of terminators holding an IoK (Zhufor + bodyguard count as 1 HQ slot). Since Zhufor is able to take a true retinue, you can hide him in his retinue while dishing out str 10 powerfist attacks The only downside to Zhufor is that he tends to be pretty costly due to the terminator bodyguard and LR. I run daemons in my Zhufor list to make up for the expensive nature of his bodyguard and I suggest you do the same. Your Zhufor list also lacks some firepower. Perhaps try scrapping a zerker unit for a unit of 10 daemons and either an AC/LC predator or a defiler. I also suggest you scrap another zerker unit for a 2 x Melta Gun CSM squad. Also, if you want to stick to fluff, you should know that you can add units from the other allied Chaos Space Marine factions that were present on Vraks. It is very fluffy to do this since at one point, Zhufor was in command of all of the warbands on Vraks. Feel free to add in units from the Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and Death Guard. I have a moderate amount of success with my Zhufor list in casual games. It is loosely based on the fluff of Zhufor in command of all of the Vraks warbands. It contains Zhufor and his bodyguard from the World Eaters, Black Legion CSM and Iron Warriors obliterators. I will post my 1500 point Zhufor list so you have a comparison of some sorts. HQ Lord Zhufor with terminator bodyguard (see below) 4 Terminators with 4 twin lightning claws, Icon of Khorne and Raider transport with extra armour Troops 10 Chaos Space Marines with with 2 Plasma Guns, Champ with Power Weapon, plasma pistol and melta bombs. Icon of Chaos Glory and Rhino transport (35 points) 10 Chaos Space Marines with 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist Champ, Icon of Chaos Glory and Rhino transport. 10 Lesser Daemons Heavy Support 1 Obliterator 1 Obliterator 1 Obliterator Total: 1495
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Goood! Goooood!
Your hate has made you powerful. Now take your Privateer Press tape measure and strike me down with all your hatred and your journey to the dark side will be complete!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 02:16:24
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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I'll probably drop a berzerker unit for some more firepower, but as I said, I'm going for Zhufors World Eaters warband, not particularly what he commanded on Vraks. So I do want at least 2 units of Berzerkers. What I replace them with is under consideration. An AC/LC Predator or 2, or Defiler and some demons is sounding good.
Is there any benefit to actually taking the Terminators as his bodyguard as opposed to a separate unit and attaching him to it? That at least gives some flexibility to separate him, and I'm not exactly hurting for elite slots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 02:28:51
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
Australia
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The only benefit to taking them as a retinue is so that enemy units that engage the Zhufor + retinue unit in an assault cannot directly target/single out Zhufor (which can be handy against tough units in assaults). Also it can be noted that taking Zhufors retinue allows you to technically take an LR outside the elites/HS slot.
Otherwise if you are going to be running Zhufor differently, such as separating him from his squad etc, then taking the squad as an elites choice is probably your best bet.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Goood! Goooood!
Your hate has made you powerful. Now take your Privateer Press tape measure and strike me down with all your hatred and your journey to the dark side will be complete!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 04:25:47
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
East Coast
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If you want to keep it fun MoK Demon princes are fun as hell! They get in fast (keep them behind rhinos) and go killy dead on stuff! Take the lesser demons and drops them in of a personal icon and rape face! Its so fun and not cheese at all
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/10/05 05:00:00
Subject: 1500pts World Eaters CSM
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Norn Queen
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Taking a daemon prince would kind of defeat the purpose of it being Zhufors warband...
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