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I'm considering taking a Vindicator for my Marine army, and everywhere I look I see constant references to the Machine Spirit and how useful it is on Vindicators. My question is:
How exactly do I go about giving a Vindicator Power of the Machine Spirit? It's not listed in the codex and I'm wondering if they removed it or something, but most of the posts saying I should take it are fairly recent, so that can't be right.
Also, how many points does it cost to give a Vindicator Machine Spirit?

Help me Dakkaites, you're my only hope!

Your instincts are correct, there is no PotMS for a Vindicator. A CSM one, however, can take Daemonic Possession which probably does what you are looking for.

My Codex is at home but I believe BT can take PotMS on most if not all of their ground vehicles. It's probably something we'll lose in the next update. Of course that could be a while so I'll just shut up.

I should ahve been more specific - thanks Zeshin - In Codex: Space Marines Vindicators cannot take PotMS.

I think BT can take it basically on everything but the MS used is at BS 2.

Yes, the Black Templars still have an older style Codex that gives them the option to add Machine Spirits to Rhinos, Razorbacks, Predators and Vindicators. Other Chapters lost that choice when they were updated to 5th Edition.

But the other chapters do get a superior PotMS for the Land Raiders.

Yeah, but with the 5th edition rules regarding ordnance BS is almost (ALMOST) irrelevent.
A vindi capable of moving up and shooting even when stunned/shaken is going to be a huge problem. You can't just stun it then ignore it the rest of the turns shooting..you have to keep hitting it till you blow the weapon off or destroy it.
Not to mention the old trick of popping smoke then letting the machine spirit shoot the weapon.

Side question: Can a PotMS Vindi move 12" and then have the Spirit shoot the gun?

No, only 6".

dkellyj wrote:Side question: Can a PotMS Vindi move 12" and then have the Spirit shoot the gun?

This has been debated ad infinitum. Ask your opponent how he wants to read the rule. Is 0 = no weapons may fire or is it the start point for counting how many weapons may be fired. In the former case then PotMS adds nothing since no weapons means no weapons. In the latter then it becomes 0+1=1 weapon may fire.

GW really needs to FAQ this (among other things).

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

dkellyj wrote:Side question: Can a PotMS Vindi move 12" and then have the Spirit shoot the gun?

This has been debated ad infinitum. Ask your opponent how he wants to read the rule. Is 0 = no weapons may fire or is it the start point for counting how many weapons may be fired. In the former case then PotMS adds nothing since no weapons means no weapons. In the latter then it becomes 0+1=1 weapon may fire.

GW really needs to FAQ this (among other things).

Well the Blood Angels Potms CAN shoot if you have moved at cruising speed. (i can imagine this is how 5th ed Potms will work)

the entry states that a vehicle that has either moved at cruising speed, or has suffered a 'crew stunned' or 'crew shaken' result can fire a single weapon.

This clears up any debate :-)

The BT PotMS is very clear. The Machine Spirit may not fire if the vehicle moved >6".

Xca|iber wrote:The BT PotMS is very clear. The Machine Spirit may not fire if the vehicle moved >6".

Yes

It also shoots at BS 2

But that is because the BT codex has not been updated for 5th ed yet.

Once they get the new codex the should have the new Potms.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:

dkellyj wrote:Side question: Can a PotMS Vindi move 12" and then have the Spirit shoot the gun?

This has been debated ad infinitum. Ask your opponent how he wants to read the rule. Is 0 = no weapons may fire or is it the start point for counting how many weapons may be fired. In the former case then PotMS adds nothing since no weapons means no weapons. In the latter then it becomes 0+1=1 weapon may fire.

GW really needs to FAQ this (among other things).

This is not how the BT PotMS is worded.


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DeathReaper wrote:Once they get the new codex the should have the new Potms.

And probably land raider only as well.