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I have just increaesd my army size from 1000pts to 1250 and wanted to take a war-machine.

The plague claw catapult was the first to come to mind cause i am doing a Roman themed Skaven army, but i am stuck between that and a warp lighting cannon.

I would like to know your thought on each and how they had served in you in past games, and their pros and cons.

Here is my Army list if you wish to take a look. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/320439.page

I think the Warp Lightning cannon is better if you're picking one or the other. The blast may be smaller, but with the potential for high strength, you can damage large formations, while still having the ability to lay the hurt on big nasties. In other words, it can threaten a wider variety of targets, and has the ability to whack things that might otherwise be difficult to deal with.

Just from encountering the thing, the warp lightning cannon is a beast.

I would second everything Red_Zeke has said. If your only adding 1 to your list than the cannon is better.

Its a shame Skaven don't have a bolt thrower of some sort...would fit the theme perfectly.

Two of each.

But if youre dead set on choosing one, the Cannon. Plagueclaws are only good in pairs where they can really dish out the pain. WLC dont need weight of fire as 50% of the time they are S6, 8, or 10

zeekill wrote:Two of each.

But if youre dead set on choosing one, the Cannon. Plagueclaws are only good in pairs where they can really dish out the pain. WLC dont need weight of fire as 50% of the time they are S6, 8, or 10

Keep the point level in mind man.

Another for lightning cannon. They dont mind high T models

blak43 wrote:

zeekill wrote:Two of each.

But if youre dead set on choosing one, the Cannon. Plagueclaws are only good in pairs where they can really dish out the pain. WLC dont need weight of fire as 50% of the time they are S6, 8, or 10

Keep the point level in mind man.

WLC are 90 points, Plagueclaws are 100. They are almost the same.

That said, I would take the WLC over the plagueclaw. in my game against skaven, the guy had 2. Only one got to fire, and it fired once. It wiped out half a slave and clanrat squad in one shot.

Note that I play skaven

He's actually pointing out that the OP is discussing including these in a 1000-1250 point list. So taking two of each would bump him over the 25% rare limitation.

That is aside the point.

The point is that the guy killed 200 points worth of models with a 100 point cannon in one shot.

Thus the WLC is the better choice.

What? I'm saying that he can't take two of each because the list is at 1000 or 1250, which was what Blak43 was pointing out to zeekill.

As awesome and destructive as the WLC is, I don't think either is strictly better than the other. Most of the time, you'll want the WLC. Higher strength and whatnot. But against large units of low-leadership T3 models? The Plagueclaw can cause absolute carnage.

So really, depends on your opponent. If they're running an elite army with high toughness/leadership, the Plagueclaw wont do much for you. Against more horde-ish armies, it'll be well worth its points.

I think we have reached a failure in communication, friend. Sorrey

What I am saying is, he should grab a WLC, because it killed 200 points of my stuff with one shot when it is only a 90 point model.

Not saying he should take two of both. That said, I should pick up 2.

Thank you all for your reply's.

I think the WLC is the way forward as i do have 2 poison wind mortars in this force as well.

I'm not that not very keen on the current warp lighting cannon.

Any thought on a good conversion.

At the moment i am thinking of using the empire cannon, and hell-blaster, with a pile of warp stone as the cannon balls.

Well the warplightning cannon model has a much longer barrel then the average cannon but I think using just about any cannon and adding enough skaveny raggedness and some sort of attachment to warpstone something should work.

Another option might be something along the lines of a Tesla lightning generator, You'd sort of need to scratchbuild it though.

Take two of both.

Terminus wrote:Take two of both.

As discussed earlier, he can't at this point level.

Cheat.

Well, I've run both and I personally prefer the PC. The cannon can drop monsters, heavy, etc. BUT that niche is already filled with the Doomwheel and the Hell Pit, both of which are much sturdier and killier assuming they get in CC. A flaw I'll admit, but with the number of flyers/scouts being added to the game, lone cannons are in constant danger. Now, the PC however is substantially weaker, but it does benefit from a larger base, so it can basically drown the foe in T2 ignores armor hits (and with most units being T3...aside from WoC and Ogres, it tends to go fine). Additionally it causes a guaranteed panic test... I have literally panicked a O&G army off the board, turn 1.

Elves/Orcs&Goblins=Catapult
Non-elves or Orcs&Goblins=WLCannon

Please make sure you check the dates on the posts you reply to , as in this case the thread is from 2010.