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Again as a precursor: the dragon and black guard STAY as she is in love with the models. I'm aware that a unit of RXB's doesn't have a musician and that the shades are missing additional hand weapons. I could tweak a few last minute things for those points if I saw fit to.

2500 Pts - Dark Elves Roster - 2500 Dark Elves 1.0


1]Dreadlord @ 588 pts (General; Hand Weapon; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Eternal Hatred)
1 Black Dragon (Causes Terror; Flyer; Large Target; Scaly Skin)
1 Sword of Bloodshed
1 Enchanted Shield
1 Dawnstone

1 Master (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 256 pts (Hand Weapon; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Shield;
Battle Standard Bearer; Eternal Hatred)
1 Banner of Nagarythe

1 Sorceress @ 185 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
1 Dispel Scroll
1 Ruby Ring of Ruin

1 Sorceress @ 180 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
1 Lifetaker
1 Tome of Furion

14 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 159 pts (Musician Light Armour; Shield)

14 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 154 pts ( Light Armour; Shield)

5 Dark Riders @ 117 pts (Musician Repeater Crossbow; Spear; Light Armour)


24 Dark Elf Warriors @ 208 pts (Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion, Shield)
1 Banner of Murder

7 Shades @ 112 pts


1 War Hydra @ 175 pts

5 Harpies @ 55 pts

20 Black Guard @ 310 pts (Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion)
1 Standard of Discipline

Validation Report:
Army Subtype: Dark Elf Army; Edition: 8th Edition; Game Type: Normal Game
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 2499

I dunno personaly I like blackguard have to be smart with them the dragon on the other hand imo is a waste of points but its not my army so doesn't matter. I would lose the spear men and just build up the xbow men better staying power. Should consider giving sorceress' shadow magic . more helpful if you can drop enemy str, or tough making blackguard that much more useful. I would drop harpies and add to dark riders or shades you don't really need 3 weak Warmachine hunting units

Dreadlord - I would go with the Ogre Blade, the +2 Str will be very useful for killing the units sent after a Dragon - Knights and other heavy armor stuff. I would also I would look at getting him a ward save.

Master - While banner of Nagarythe is awsome in this edition I have decided its not worth the points. My opponents always try to snipe him with either magic or cannons. I would look at a ward save and a normal banner. Would also free up some points.

Sorceress 1 - I personally would just go with the scroll but the ring could be fun.

Blackguard - I would switch the banners and go with Banner of Eternal Flame - to deal with big nasty creatures.

Otherwise looks like a fun list. Your going to want at least 1 Shadow Sorceress for the debuffs, the other can be whatever.

I plan for her to take shadow and death. I'll look into retooling the dreadlord and master. I'll also look into the banner swaps right now.

Thanks for the input.

For the lord on black dragon, you probably would want pendant of Khaelith and a death piercer. You really want a ward save on the lord otherwise you really risk him getting one shotted by a bolt thrower early on. The death piercer is mostly just preference because I like the killing blow on it.
Alternatively what you can do is give the lord Armor or eternal servitude or one of the armors with ward saves from the BBB and then give him a ring of hotek as well and run him near enemy wizards for miscasting hilarity.

Sorceress - Drop lifetaker and tome, should get a darkstar cloak instead. The item is golden in current edition.

Would look at maybe giving the squad leader of the black guard the Crimson Death, find it comes in really handy.

If you want to keep your bsb would suggest changing his weapon to a beastmasters scourge instead of the handweapon. Yeah you wouldnt get the parry save from the front, but im finding with dark elves this current edition its really important to hit as hard as possible before your opponent strikes back. Even then I find unless your using the battlestandard bearer to specifically support a unit he isnt really worth taking. Like my favorite use for a bsb atm is to give him a great weapon and armor, the standard of hag graef, put him in a squad of corsairs with hand bows and seas serpent banner and a dreadlord with executioners axe, talisman of protection and the 6+ ward save to unit from war machine and it usually steam rolls through things.

aerethan wrote:Again as a precursor: the dragon and black guard STAY as she is in love with the models. I'm aware that a unit of RXB's doesn't have a musician and that the shades are missing additional hand weapons. I could tweak a few last minute things for those points if I saw fit to.

2500 Pts - Dark Elves Roster - 2500 Dark Elves 1.0


1]Dreadlord @ 588 pts (General; Hand Weapon; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Eternal Hatred)
1 Black Dragon (Causes Terror; Flyer; Large Target; Scaly Skin)
1 Sword of Bloodshed
1 Enchanted Shield
1 Dawnstone
The winner of Da Grand Waaagh ran a dragon with unkillable lord and the black egg, so I still think they can be used. I would totally get a ward save on him though, talisman of preservation, pendant of kaeleth, something. A couple cannons and he's a goner. Other than that, I like the idea of a giant winged symbol of death flying around!


1 Master (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 256 pts (Hand Weapon; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Heavy Armour; Sea Dragon Cloak; Shield;
Battle Standard Bearer; Eternal Hatred)
1 Banner of Nagarythe

I'm not sold on Banner of Nagarythe. Too expensive by a long shot. Would recommend giving him the ward save you didn't put on your general, as well as RXB instead of dual hand bows, and a beastmaster's scourge, for 6 points you get an extra attack and armor piercing, not bad at all.

1 Sorceress @ 185 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
1 Dispel Scroll
1 Ruby Ring of Ruin

Wouldn't really change it, not bad

1 Sorceress @ 180 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Level 2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
1 Lifetaker
1 Tome of Furion

Also not bad, though I'd go without the lifetaker to add points elsewhere (RXB units, will be addressed later)

14 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 159 pts (Musician Light Armour; Shield)

14 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 154 pts ( Light Armour; Shield)

imho, too small to give shields to. Either pump them to 20, or drop the shields. 14 will not stand to anything in combat as far as rank bonuses go. Just changing your BSB will clear the way for one unit of these to get to 20, maybe the second

5 Dark Riders @ 117 pts (Musician Repeater Crossbow; Spear; Light Armour)

Never used em, so can't comment too much, but have heard good things about them being great WM hunters


24 Dark Elf Warriors @ 208 pts (Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion, Shield)
1 Banner of Murder

Kind of the same boat as the RXB, I'd either take more, or drop them altogether. I ran a block of 30 a couple weeks ago, and they were just excellent tarpits, even won outright against bloodletters. Shadow magic makes them very useful.

7 Shades @ 112 pts

These work great as harassers, as far as actual output, they don't do much. But my opponents always feel the need to have to deal with them, sending 200-300 point units after a lowly 102 point unit, messing with his plan. Always great fun!


1 War Hydra @ 175 pts

It's a hydra, nuff said. Only piece of advice, avoid 60 strong night goblins with bows and poison...very annoying!!

5 Harpies @ 55 pts

Same as Dark Riders, I haven't used them.

20 Black Guard @ 310 pts (Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion)
1 Standard of Discipline
Not quite sure standard of discipline is needed, as aren't they LD 9? And your general is LD 10 with an 18" bubble. I know you want them to stay, if so I'd give them the ironcurse icon on the champ, 6+ ward save to warmachines might actually help you out. All it has to do is save one model, and it earns back almost 3 times its points. I still think with 2 attacks each and S4 they have a use, they just cost quite a bit now for that use. To help with their survivability, I'd be using shadow for sure, enfeebling foe and -D3 WS really increases their life span, as well as the withering to make sure they hit home when in combat. Also, as far as 8th edition magic as a whole, Word of Pain is by far my favorite spell, that WS 1, BS 1 has saved my rear plenty of times. Saurus warriors/chaos warriors needing 5s to hit? yes!

Validation Report:
Army Subtype: Dark Elf Army; Edition: 8th Edition; Game Type: Normal Game
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 2499

notes erm, noted. Will post revision in the morning.


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2500 Pts - Dark Elves Roster

Highborn (2#, 576 pts)
. . 1 Dreadlord @ 576 pts (General; Hand Weapon; Pair of Repeater Handbows; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Black Dragon (Causes Terror; Flyer; Large Target; Scaly Skin)
. . . . 1 Ogre Blade
. . . . 1 Armor of Darkness
. . . . 1 Pendant of Khaeleth

Noble (1#, 173 pts)
. . 1 ~[(^One or more selected options present a potential usage conflict]×~[(#]Master (Battle Standard Bearer) @ 173 pts (Always Strikes Last; Hand Weapon; Great Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Sea Dragon Cloak; Battle Standard Bearer; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Armour of Destiny

Sorceress (1#, 145 pts)
. . 1 Sorceress @ 145 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Lifetaker
. . . . 1 Tome of Furion
. . . . 1 0. Power of Darkness

Sorceress (1#, 150 pts)
. . 1 Sorceress @ 150 pts (Druchii Sorcery; Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Dispel Scroll
. . . . 1 Ruby Ring of Ruin
. . . . 1 0. Power of Darkness

Warriors (24#, 184 pts)
. . 23 Dark Elf Warriors @ 184 pts (Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Hand Weapon; Spear; Light Armour; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Lordling (Hand Weapon; Spear; Light Armour; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . 1 Banner of Murder

Repeater Crossbowmen (20#, 225 pts)
. . 20 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 225 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred)

Repeater Crossbowmen (20#, 225 pts)
. . 20 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen @ 225 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Light Armour; Shield; Eternal Hatred)

Harpy Coven (5#, 55 pts)
. . 5 Harpies @ 55 pts (Beasts; Flyer)

Shades (5#, 80 pts)
. . 5 Shades @ 80 pts (Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Eternal Hatred; Scouts; Skirmishers)

Black Guard (20#, 295 pts)
. . 19 Black Guard @ 295 pts (Warrior Elite; Musician Mus; Standard Bearer Std; Halberd; Heavy Armour; Eternal Hatred; Immune to Psychology; Stubborn)
. . . . 1 Tower Master (Warrior Elite; Heavy Armour; Eternal Hatred; Immune to Psychology)

War Hydra (3#, 175 pts)
. . 1 War Hydra @ 175 pts (Fiery Breath; Monsters and Handlers; Causes Terror; Eternal Hatred; Large Target; Regenerate; Scaly Skin)
. . . . 2 Beastmaster (Hand Weapon; Eternal Hatred)
. . . . . . 1 Beastmasters Scourge

Shades (5#, 85 pts)
. . 5 Shades @ 85 pts (Hand Weapon; Extra Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Eternal Hatred; Extra Attack; Scouts; Skirmishers)

Dark Riders (5#, 117 pts)
. . 5 Dark Riders @ 117 pts (Musician Mus; Hand Weapon; Repeater Crossbow; Spear; Light Armour; Eternal Hatred; Fast Cavalry)
. . . . 5 Dark Steed

Validation Report:
Army Subtype: Dark Elf Army; Edition: 8th Edition; Game Type: Normal Game
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 2485

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