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I've added these to my Valkyries, what's the LOS from the front? As the heavy bolter can move and the weapon will have 45 degree arc, should it be able to fire at the front? Also, these obivously wouldn't be able to shoot through the wings either, so most of LOS will be blocked too, is that right?

As I've modelled my Valkyries already I was thinking of stickign the heavy bolters under the undercarriage and saying they have a 45c degree arc, that sound ok?

mercer wrote:I've added these to my Valkyries, what's the LOS from the front? As the heavy bolter can move and the weapon will have 45 degree arc, should it be able to fire at the front? Also, these obivously wouldn't be able to shoot through the wings either, so most of LOS will be blocked too, is that right?

As I've modelled my Valkyries already I was thinking of stickign the heavy bolters under the undercarriage and saying they have a 45c degree arc, that sound ok?

You can't stick the guns wherever you like to avoid los issues AFAIK, but it does seem annoying.

I always assumed they had more or less a 90 degree arc from the front of the vehicle out to the side, since the arm they're on turns somewhat. Exception of this being of course when the wing blocks the LOS. I've never actually used them though, so I can really report how people would take it. I'm having a hard time picturing them being on the undercarriage, especially since the landing gear and everything are already situation there, but if you can make it look good, I'm sure less people will complain.

Ordo Dakka wrote:

mercer wrote:I've added these to my Valkyries, what's the LOS from the front? As the heavy bolter can move and the weapon will have 45 degree arc, should it be able to fire at the front? Also, these obivously wouldn't be able to shoot through the wings either, so most of LOS will be blocked too, is that right?

As I've modelled my Valkyries already I was thinking of stickign the heavy bolters under the undercarriage and saying they have a 45c degree arc, that sound ok?

You can't stick the guns wherever you like to avoid los issues AFAIK, but it does seem annoying.

Technicaly I can stick them wherever I like as it's my model I'll stick a big shoota on a Carnifexes ass if I want

Problem I've got is the Valkyrie is built so they cannot go in the places where the doors are because they're sealed. I just need the LOS degree really and if worth taking due to that.

mercer wrote:Technicaly I can stick them wherever I like as it's my model

Sure, the same way as I can technically not allow any of your guardsmen with a helmet to fire (since they cannot draw Los as they have no eyes) and technically make it so you can never disembark normally from your Valkyrie. Or how about the face I can technically call you out on the face that your Frag Grenades don't work?

Golden Rule: Don't be a dick about things, because you will always find someone who can out-dick you!

When mounted on the rotating arm they actually have a bit more than a 180 degree line of sight on their side of the valkyrie/vendetta? Swivel the arm out all the way and check what all the hull blocks, you can easily see partially in front of and behind the vehicle.

mercer wrote:

Ordo Dakka wrote:

mercer wrote:I've added these to my Valkyries, what's the LOS from the front? As the heavy bolter can move and the weapon will have 45 degree arc, should it be able to fire at the front? Also, these obivously wouldn't be able to shoot through the wings either, so most of LOS will be blocked too, is that right?

As I've modelled my Valkyries already I was thinking of stickign the heavy bolters under the undercarriage and saying they have a 45c degree arc, that sound ok?

You can't stick the guns wherever you like to avoid los issues AFAIK, but it does seem annoying.

Technicaly I can stick them wherever I like as it's my model I'll stick a big shoota on a Carnifexes ass if I want

Problem I've got is the Valkyrie is built so they cannot go in the places where the doors are because they're sealed. I just need the LOS degree really and if worth taking due to that.

Your meant to choose between the doors and the heavy bolters, you cannot have both. Built correctly, they can infact aim frontwards, and can even aim backwards if you dont glue them.

my group play the bolters can fire pretty much parallel to the sides of the hull, not through the wings but under them if the target unit is close enough to have LOS drawn to it on a 45 degree angle

Nungunz wrote:When mounted on the rotating arm they actually have a bit more than a 180 degree line of sight on their side of the valkyrie/vendetta? Swivel the arm out all the way and check what all the hull blocks, you can easily see partially in front of and behind the vehicle.

Quite so. They may as well have been hull mounted since the wing obscure them to the sides and firing backwards means not firing anything else.

Jaon wrote:Your meant to choose between the doors and the heavy bolters, you cannot have both. Built correctly, they can infact aim frontwards, and can even aim backwards if you dont glue them.

You can notch the doors so that they can be closed after swinging the bolters out.

Gwar! wrote:

mercer wrote:Technicaly I can stick them wherever I like as it's my model

Sure, the same way as I can technically not allow any of your guardsmen with a helmet to fire (since they cannot draw Los as they have no eyes) and technically make it so you can never disembark normally from your Valkyrie. Or how about the face I can technically call you out on the face that your Frag Grenades don't work?

Golden Rule: Don't be a dick about things, because you will always find someone who can out-dick you!

Gwar you examples are completely different. I just said I can stick them on a model where I like, which I can, thuogh doesn't mean I'll get away with it - talking about eyes and stuff is jsut weird. You need to learn some humour my friend and when you quote someone make sure you quote the smilies as it doesn't come over the same way.


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Ordo Dakka wrote:

mercer wrote:I've added these to my Valkyries, what's the LOS from the front? As the heavy bolter can move and the weapon will have 45 degree arc, should it be able to fire at the front? Also, these obivously wouldn't be able to shoot through the wings either, so most of LOS will be blocked too, is that right?

As I've modelled my Valkyries already I was thinking of stickign the heavy bolters under the undercarriage and saying they have a 45c degree arc, that sound ok?

You can't stick the guns wherever you like to avoid los issues AFAIK, but it does seem annoying.

Technicaly I can stick them wherever I like as it's my model I'll stick a big shoota on a Carnifexes ass if I want

Problem I've got is the Valkyrie is built so they cannot go in the places where the doors are because they're sealed. I just need the LOS degree really and if worth taking due to that.

Your meant to choose between the doors and the heavy bolters, you cannot have both. Built correctly, they can infact aim frontwards, and can even aim backwards if you dont glue them.

Like I said, I glued the doors on already and that was a long time ago. Though now I want heavy bolters. Though you've given me a good answer on LOS, so thanks

Scott-S6 wrote:

Nungunz wrote:When mounted on the rotating arm they actually have a bit more than a 180 degree line of sight on their side of the valkyrie/vendetta? Swivel the arm out all the way and check what all the hull blocks, you can easily see partially in front of and behind the vehicle.

Quite so. They may as well have been hull mounted since the wing obscure them to the sides and firing backwards means not firing anything else.

but the ability to fire under the wing at something behind you is handy and quite annoying for your opponent when your valk has been immobilised and there is nothing infront of it

The Valkyrie HB mounts are really the only weapons on any 40K vehicle that are so oddly placed. We've always assumed that they can fire with the exact same arcs as shown on the example Predator in the rules. Primarily because the odds of using them against something on the same level as the Valkyrie are pretty damned slim. And since they have to fire at the same target as the main weapons (assuming the main guns/missiles are firing) you aren't really worried about shooting thru the wings.

I still want to mount one more HB on the rear ramp just for looks. maybe next time.

The point about not being able to do anything you want with the bolters is that this could easily be taken as modelling for advantage. Since most tourneys wont allow this many local gaming groups also do not allow this. Now if your local group allows anything and everything then go ahead with mounting them wherever, build a turret on top if you like.

As the actual model goes, the bolters can be swung through a very large arc and can aim at targets directly in front of the valk/ vend as well as to the side and rear. The wings will block los to some things of course.

If you didnt heavily apply the glue on the doors you might be able to still remove them. Nail polish remover might work, or other solvents depending on the type of glue used.




Sliggoth