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If you were making a squad of 5 pariahs and 5 immortals from warriors, what would you do? I don't do a lot of converting and kitbashing (read: none) so I'm looking for any ideas. I don't have a lot of bits, but I'm good at fabricating stuff.

Immortals have heavier armor, particularly on the shoulders, and a dual-barrel gun as opposed to the warriors' single barrel. If you bulk up the shoulder armor and find a way to combine two guns into one, they should pretty clearly represent Immortals.

Pariahs are a bit trickier. Their weapon is a staff with a blade, which could be fabricated from plasticard. Their faces are distinctive from other necrons...in general the Pariahs are intended to look a bit more...fleshed out, for lack of a better description. Adding some additional armor, the poleaxe-style weapon and modifying the faces should make them identifiable as Pariahs.

...right, I'll just go on record now and state the obvious: it's going to be hard, and I mean hard, to create these models using warriors. I can only guess that you're doing it in an effort to avoid paying for the actual Immortal/Pariah models.

My advice would be first to forget about the Pariahs. They don't count as Necrons for 'We'll be Back' rolls, and they're noticeably more expensive than Immortals. Ultimately, you're left with two units: one is harder to kill than the other, less expensive, and equipped with the same long-range weapons. Fire-support units don't really benefit from having power weapons, too. Or at least they really don't *need* them. You're better off investing in more Immortals and some Flayed Ones if you absolutely must have CC specialists.

Char-Nobyl wrote:My advice would be first to forget about the Pariahs. They don't count as Necrons for 'We'll be Back' rolls, and they're noticeably more expensive than Immortals. Ultimately, you're left with two units: one is harder to kill than the other, less expensive, and equipped with the same long-range weapons. Fire-support units don't really benefit from having power weapons, too. Or at least they really don't *need* them. You're better off investing in more Immortals and some Flayed Ones if you absolutely must have CC specialists.

thanks for the advice. I understand that they aren't a big part of what people consider competitive in the metagame. the money and practicality isn't really an issue. I just have warriors that I'm not going to need that I want to make some conversions out of--have to start kitbashing sometime! I have an idea what I'm going to do with the immortals; fabricating their blasters should be easy. Making warscythes for pariah subs might be a little harder. Also, I'm one of those people who likes fluffy armies and thinks that everything has a place if it's used right, and in the correct list. Plus I like fielding models people think are fail just because I'm an iconoclast :-D

I remember talking with someone who actually used guardsmen as their pariahs. With the idea that they are the next step in necron evolution he thought he'd make them more like the terminators from, well, The Terminator. You could do somethig similar with either guardsmen or SMs maybe and mix and match heads and arms with those of necron warriors and use green-stuff to make it look like synthetic flesh that has been torn off in battle revealing their inner workings. That would be my suggestion.

I can't speak for converting warriors into Pariahs, but warriors into immortals is easy as hell. There's a great tutorial here. In this tutorial, he turns warriors into equal parts Immortals/Flayed Ones, but you might want to just buy extra necron arms/guns; I found them to be very cheap, and go all-Immortal.

Thanks, Ouze. I appreciate the credit!

I've converted a pariah from a warrior as well and have to say it's not exactly easy to do. The chest and heads are bulkier than a normal warrior which also throws the body proportions (chest-to-waist) off if you use warrior bits. Here's how I did it:

Use a destroyer torso in place of the warrior torso. It's huge by comparison, so bulking up the spine bit on the legs is a good idea. Either greenstuff or wrapping craft wire would help there. Straighten the legs at the knee and ankle, pinning the joints or replacing the shin bit completely with paperclip. Reposition the warrior arms as well, replacing the hands using the sprue-method in the Immortal tute. Adding plasticard plates on both the arms and legs will help to bulk them up to match the torso a little better. You'll need smaller plates on the arms than the legs, practice a little until the size is right. The head is probably the hardest bit to deal with - I used a skull-bit from the wood elf glade rider set, adding gs to bulk it up, but I imagine you can do the same thing to the warrior heads if you're up to it. For the warscythe, attaching the gauss flayer to a bit of rod is easiest, adding a blade made from plasticard along the barrel-support if you like the style of GW's. I actually made it more like a scythe, projecting out from where the axe-bit would normally sit.

The conversion ended up being a little too fiddly for me, so I dropped it. It's certainly possible, but pariahs have limited usefulness in a necron list. So do Flayed Ones, but what else am I going to do with my gunless warriors?

thanks guys, that's super helpful =)

This is just off the top of my head, but if you're not really worried about price you can usually find the Necron kits parted out on eBay. The more heavily armoured Destroyer bodies and their bigger guns could probably be easily bashed onto Warrior legs to make Immortals.

Yeah, I've converted Immortals from Warriors myself - not too difficult, once you find some suitable bits to bulk up the body.

I'm dubious about a Pariah conversion, unless you just forget the traditional Pariah look and make something that looks like it matches the Pariah stats.

I think you would need to either make some proxies for Pariahs, or just forego the conversion entirely. Pariahs have well toned (for humanoids) bodies built in the style of Necrons. no other miniature produced by GW replicates this (Not even other Necrons, as their bodies are nowhere near as bulky and, for a lack of a better word, muscular as a Pariah's). Alternatively, you can simply convert a bunch of Cullexus Assassin look-alikes as stand-ins for your pariahs, since it's hinted Pariahs are made from the same blanks as Cullexus (and one such conversion was featured on Black Gobbo before it was taken down).

As an alternative, maybe you can make some Immortals with Warscythes (which would make use of the remaining warriors you have that now have no guns), considering them to be the Necron Lord's elite bodyguard. Their lack of Necron-rules can probably be explained away due to them being prototype Pariahs built upon the Immortal Chassis, giving them some Pariah abilties but bulky, imperfect forms.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:As an alternative, maybe you can make some Immortals with Warscythes (which would make use of the remaining warriors you have that now have no guns), considering them to be the Necron Lord's elite bodyguard. Their lack of Necron-rules can probably be explained away due to them being prototype Pariahs built upon the Immortal Chassis, giving them some Pariah abilties but bulky, imperfect forms.

I think I've come up with an idea on how to make the gauss blaster without sacrificing 2 guns. If it works, I'll post a tutorial (which I'm sure will be endlessly entertaining to you kitbashing vets). In fact, you might wind up with even more guns than you started with.

Here's what I came up with for the immortal.




And here's the hilaribad tutorial

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/308720.page#2049696

Thats... actually pretty cool.