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Ok, I already know what it does. I'm competent with my primary army. However, I did notice a couple of things recently (I reread my codices every now and then, to make sure I haven't built any bad habits that break the rules).

Here are my queries:

1) The paragraph that governs the movement from RZ simply states, "If an Infantry unit (including any attached characters) is called upon to take a Morale Check and passes...[it zeal-moves]." Does this mean that abilities that force units to take morale checks, but are not "casualty-causing" invoke the RZ movement if the BT unit passes?

2) Building from the above^^, since we agree that wounds inflicted by exploding vehicles are not "enemy shooting," they don't trigger zeal. However, what if a vehicle explosion caused 25% casualties on a BT unit? It would seem that they still test, and if they pass, they will Zeal as normal.

Thoughts?

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Xca|iber wrote:Ok, I already know what it does.
UNPOSSIBLE!
Xca|iber wrote:I'm competent with my primary army.
LIES! DAMNED LIES! AND STATISTICS! AND ALSO MORE LIES!!!!!!
Xca|iber wrote:However, I did notice a couple of things recently (I reread my codices every now and then, to make sure I haven't built any bad habits that break the rules).

Ok, I'll behave:
Xca|iber wrote:1) The paragraph that governs the movement from RZ simply states, "If an Infantry unit (including any attached characters) is called upon to take a Morale Check and passes...[it zeal-moves]." Does this mean that abilities that force units to take morale checks, but are not "casualty-causing" invoke the RZ movement if the BT unit passes?
Yes. Whilst it might imply that it only happens when you take Morale Checks from casualties, this is not the case. Had it said "... this Morale Check..." you would only get to Zeal when you took casualties from shooting, but alas, it says "... a Morale Check..." so you get to Zeal regardless of where the Morale Check is coming from.
Xca|iber wrote:2) Building from the above^^, since we agree that wounds inflicted by exploding vehicles are not "enemy shooting," they don't trigger zeal. However, what if a vehicle explosion caused 25% casualties on a BT unit? It would seem that they still test, and if they pass, they will Zeal as normal.
Correct. Again, the Implication is they only Zeal after taking the Morale Test for casualties, bit this is not the case RaW.

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Yup, this is as above.

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Awesome. Thanks Gwar! and Nos.

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This is massively abusable as long as your commander is on the table - your whole army is leadership 10, so its about 85% of the time guaranteed to squeeze you some extra inches.

Side question - if you need to take a test due to righteous zeal and you have a chaplain in the unit, is that an auto pass just like a normal morale check?

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liam0404 wrote:This is massively abusable as long as your commander is on the table - your whole army is leadership 10, so its about 85% of the time guaranteed to squeeze you some extra inches.

Side question - if you need to take a test due to righteous zeal and you have a chaplain in the unit, is that an auto pass just like a normal morale check?
Yes. Passing Automagically still allows for RZ.

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Nice. Gotta love chaplains, especially BT ones - they are still so killy

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