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I have a possible first rules contreversy in the new Dark Eldar Book.

Raiders have Upgrades that allow them to deepstrike, but the upgrade states that the troops can't disembark. Drop pods especifically saythe units inside can't assault off the deep strike, but the Duke's ability in the new DE codex allows all Ravager and Raiders to deepstrike for free with no penalty listed. In the rulebook it says that transports that deepstrike can deploy troops and they can move. Under the place it says they can't assault, it seems to reference the unit that deep struck, no necessarily the troops inside the transport. What do you guys think?

Dorkhammer wrote:I have a possible first rules contreversy in the new Dark Eldar Book.

Raiders have Upgrades that allow them to deepstrike, but the upgrade states that the troops can't disembark. Drop pods especifically saythe units inside can't assault off the deep strike, but the Duke's ability in the new DE codex allows all Ravager and Raiders to deepstrike for free with no penalty listed. In the rulebook it says that transports that deepstrike can deploy troops and they can move. Under the place it says they can't assault, it seems to reference the unit that deep struck, no necessarily the troops inside the transport. What do you guys think?

You can't assault out of a Deep Striking Transport, unless you have a rule saying you CAN.

Units that disembark from a Deep Striking Transport have still arrived via Deep Strike:

"In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle."

Throw this Question into the FAQ thread linked in my sig so I don't forget it.

Gwar! wrote:
Units that disembark from a Deep Striking Transport have still arrived via Deep Strike:

"In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle."

Throw this Question into the FAQ thread linked in my sig so I don't forget it.

Fixed your quote for you. If the unit cannot disembark or assault then why are there so many vehicles that specifically mention the inability to assault after deepstriking?

Spellbound wrote:

Gwar! wrote:
Units that disembark from a Deep Striking Transport have still arrived via Deep Strike:

"In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle."

Throw this Question into the FAQ thread linked in my sig so I don't forget it.

Fixed your quote for you. If the unit cannot disembark or assault then why are there so many vehicles that specifically mention the inability to assault after deepstriking?

People are stupid. It's the same reason why they remind you models with Jump Packs can deep strike, despite just telling you they become Jump Infantry in the SM codex (though considering the Target age group for SM, I understand).

Gwar! wrote:

Spellbound wrote:

Gwar! wrote:
Units that disembark from a Deep Striking Transport have still arrived via Deep Strike:

"In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units may not move any further, other than to disembark from a deep striking transport vehicle."

Throw this Question into the FAQ thread linked in my sig so I don't forget it.

Fixed your quote for you. If the unit cannot disembark or assault then why are there so many vehicles that specifically mention the inability to assault after deepstriking?

People are stupid. It's the same reason why they remind you models with Jump Packs can deep strike, despite just telling you they become Jump Infantry in the SM codex (though considering the Target age group for SM, I understand).

I imagine there's also a bit of "future-proofing" going on, too - in case Jump Infantry in a later edition doesn't inherently allow deep striking, the SM Jump Pack still has a rule that specifically allows it.

But this is GW, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was pure coincidence.

Evidence of redundancy does not imply evidence of necessity.

The rules for bikes tell you about the extra toughness not couning for ID, despite the rules for ID happily covering the situation.

I agree, they cannot *MOVE* in the movement phase other than to disembark.

However, in the ASSAULT phase I am asking about. Two completely different phases.

Just like an like hopping out of an opened ork trukk moving 12, disembark within 2, waggh for your fleet, then assault.

In theory the Dark Eldar arriving by deep strike (from the Duke's special rule) can DS in, disembark within 2" for the movement phase, fleet in the shooting phase, then assault in the assault phase.

The rule you are quoting specifically calls out "In the movement phase..." The only thing the rule quotes suggested is preventing is doing the following in the movement phase: Deep strike, disembark 2", move 6". All it's doing is saying you do not get your normal movement phase in.

maaksel wrote:I agree, they cannot *MOVE* in the movement phase other than to disembark.

However, in the ASSAULT phase I am asking about. Two completely different phases.

The Deep Strike rules tell us that units arriving by Deep Strike (including in a Deep Striking transport) can not move in the movement phase other than to disembark.
The two paragraphs further down, it tells us that these units can not launch an assault in the Assault Phase unless they have a special rule that specifically allows it.

insaniak wrote:

maaksel wrote:I agree, they cannot *MOVE* in the movement phase other than to disembark.

However, in the ASSAULT phase I am asking about. Two completely different phases.

The Deep Strike rules tell us that units arriving by Deep Strike (including in a Deep Striking transport) can not move in the movement phase other than to disembark.
The two paragraphs further down, it tells us that these units can not launch an assault in the Assault Phase unless they have a special rule that specifically allows it.

God-Emperor forbid people read the rules! WHAT IS THIS HERESY!

-Sends Virus Bombs-

That being said, Insaniak has it right. You cannot Assault from a Deep Striking transport unless it says you can. Simple!

I dont see an army being able to assault large scale out of deep strikes. As has been explained the rules dont allow this unless there is a special rule overriding this such as Heroic Intervention for Vanguard Veterans.

DakkaDakka wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:I am under the impression that running instead of shooting is allowed though?

That's correct. It even says as much in the paragraph that deals with the shooting phase.