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Just checking -

1) as its not a dedicated transport can Scouts deploy in a land speeder storm.

2) Same question in regards to outflanking

ta

danman wrote:Just checking -

1) as its not a dedicated transport can Scouts deploy in a land speeder storm.

2) Same question in regards to outflanking

ta

1) Yes. Any unit of scouts can deploy inside of it at the start of the game regardless of whether it is deployed or in reserves.

2) See #1 but replace "deploy" with "outflank".

3) The same applies to the Valkyrie and Vendetta as well, just to go off on a tangent.

cheers can you point me in the direction of the rules for that.

also if they deploy and outflank in the LSS can they also infiltrate?

danman wrote:cheers can you point me in the direction of the rules for that.

also if they deploy and outflank in the LSS can they also infiltrate?

There is no single page for that ruling, but a mixture of several pages.

For reserves, you are given explicit permission to be inside a transport. Page 94, "Reserves", "Preparing Reserves", Paragraph 4

For non-reserves, you have permission to deploy within your Deployment zone. You also have permission for infantry units to be embarked on a transport. Inside a Transport vehicle inside your deployment zone is inside your deployment zone, so you can begin with them inside.

And no, they cannot Infiltrate, because the LSS doesn't have Infiltrate.

danman; it is quite impossible for any unit to "deploy and outflank" and also Infiltrate.

Infiltrate is a special deployment type that only functions during army deployment. It opens up the ability to outflank, but outflanking is only used when you put the unit into reserve. Then, when you come in from reserve(assuming you had declared the unit with either Scouts or infiltrate USRs was going to outflank) you deploy by the outflank rules(and no other deployment options are used by that unit, even other deployment options are available to them).

thanks gwar thats useful

Kommissar Kel, I do understand that it is impossible for a unit to deploy and outflank AT THE SAME TIME, however there are many units in 40k that can both deploy and outflank however in any one game they may one do one or the other. I confusion in syntax I believe.

danman wrote:thanks gwar thats useful

Kommissar Kel, I do understand that it is impossible for a unit to deploy and outflank AT THE SAME TIME, however there are many units in 40k that can both deploy and outflank however in any one game they may one do one or the other. I confusion in syntax I believe.

Well, infiltrate is done at the deployment Phase instead of deploying regularly(every Scenario that allows infiltration has a step during deployment that tells you to deploy your infiltrators); and if you unit is in Reserve awaiting to outflank(or come in regularly) it will be coming in well after that step has come and passed(at or after first turn depending on scenario).

Similarly you cannot ever Infiltrate a Non-troop, Non-HQ unit in a "Dawn of War" mission(because those units cannot be deployed until after the "deploy infiltrators" step).

Also when your outflanking units become available; they then "deploy" using the outflank rules, So you do in fact Outflank and Deploy at the same time.

danman wrote:Just checking -

1) as its not a dedicated transport can Scouts deploy in a land speeder storm.

2) Same question in regards to outflanking

ta

1) Yes. As long as the vehicle meets the transport capacity for the squad and the squad does not have any special rules that prevent them from entering a transport, they may be deployed inside a transport. For reserves, this is also true, see page 94, left column, Preparing Reserves

2) Edit: YES, in this specific case. Simply because both units are Scouts to begin with.
Neither rules for Scouts nor Outflank give a non-dedicated transport permission to Outflank or make a Scouts move. The rules for Scouts confers the Scouts ability to dedicated transports only, see page 76, left column, Scouts*. The rules for Outflanking further dictate that a unit with Outflanking rule may outflank with their dedicated transport, but must do so together, see page 94, right column, Outflanking*.

* This piece of rule is a bit confusing. Since they are embarked, they must naturally arrive at the same time! As far as I can tell, it seems that if you put both the Scouts and their dedicated transport in outflanking, they must be deployed together, but that you may alternatively deploy them separately or indeed have the Scouts inside a secondary transport as long as not both are outflanking.

P.S. Remember that outflanking (Scouts) is also lost if you attach an independent character to the squad!