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I don't know if this can be true but it looked really wierd and I think illegal but he goes what happen. Yes this happened!!

OK the oppenent unit devistator squad was shot in ph 2 and was forced to run away. However, the opponent said since he had a unit running and ran into the friendly that unit would have to run around the unit on the edge of deployment zone. The devisators squad couldn't rally because the enemy dread and drop pod were in the 6" fall back area he had to run them toward the center of the board on his board edge since the friendly unit didn't leave any space for them to run through. So one phase goes by and the dread and the drop pod are still undamaged he moves the border unit toward the center to block the falling back unit from running off the board. Them rolled to see how far the falling back unit runs and suprisingly they couldn't get around the friendly unit. Next enemy phase was a rinse and repaet of the prior phase. Basically at the end that unit was still broken and he lost points for a falling back unit. So my queston here is is it legal? Also he said that since the unit NEVER backtracked during the running of the broken unit that move is legal.

2 questions? When do fleeing models run and can friendly models prevent falling back units from running off the board ?

alcyonmz wrote:I don't know if this can be true but it looked really wierd and I think illegal but he goes what happen. Yes this happened!!

OK the oppenent unit devistator squad was shot in ph 2 and was forced to run away. However, the opponent said since he had a unit running and ran into the friendly that unit would have to run around the unit on the edge of deployment zone. The devisators squad couldn't rally because the enemy dread and drop pod were in the 6" fall back area he had to run them toward the center of the board on his board edge since the friendly unit didn't leave any space for them to run through. So one phase goes by and the dread and the drop pod are still undamaged he moves the border unit toward the center to block the falling back unit from running off the board. Them rolled to see how far the falling back unit runs and suprisingly they couldn't get around the friendly unit. Next enemy phase was a rinse and repaet of the prior phase. Basically at the end that unit was still broken and he lost points for a falling back unit. So my queston here is is it legal? Also he said that since the unit NEVER backtracked during the running of the broken unit that move is legal.

2 questions? When do fleeing models run and can friendly models prevent falling back units from running off the board ?

Models that are Falling back move in the owning players Movement phase only.

What he was doing sounds very odd, but without seeing exactly what the board looked like, I can't say one way or another. He certainly cannot move to the center of the board, he can move "backwards", but only so he can TRY and reach his table edge and has to do everything possible to reach his table edge asap.

No chance you could fire up your Graphics Manipulation program of your choosing (e.g. Paint ) and draw a crude picture of where the units were in relation to each other?

This is about the area and the terrian was set in the area in question. In turn 3 the dev squad was still broken and the squad ran with in 1" of the friendly squad they ran toward the open gap at the left corner of the board. In his Ph 3 he failed to kill the dread, bad rolls. The opponet was able to kite the dev squad by moving the 10 man squad enough plus rhino to keep his dev squad from running off the board by moving the non broken squad and rhino 1st before the broken squad.

Bright blue = 2 space marines
Dark Blue = 1 Space marine

Image lost a lot in compression, but it seems he first moved towards the table edge until he made it into contact with the marines there and then moved away from them again. This is illegal.

Find the shortest path (shortest, not fastest) and move the units that way. This is a mandatory move, so you do not have any options what so ever.

Yes, it's possible as an opponent to ping-pong enemy squads falling back by alternately blocking paths, but the only squads this is rewarding to do with are ATSKNF squads.

So only space marines can do this Ping pong? So a running back unit cannot go though a friendly unit? Also only space marines can do this ping pong effect or can a unit that is over 50% of its statrting strength do this? Such as Tau w/ bonding knifes?

alcyonmz wrote:So only space marines can do this Ping pong? So a running back unit cannot go though a friendly unit? Also only space marines can do this ping pong effect or can a unit that is over 50% of its statrting strength do this? Such as Tau w/ bonding knifes?

No no no! Any unit can "ping-pong", but it's more fun doing it TO marines, since they can auto-regroup if they get far enough from enemies. With "ping-pong", I mean getting a falling back unit into a position such that first turn they run forward, next turn the road forward is blocked so they run back again only to find the way towards safety unbarred next turn - again.

Regardless, back to the subject. You can't move through friendly models, since you aren't allowed to move through friendly models as of page 11, you can't trace shortest route through them unless there's a gap between models in the unit that's large enough for a model base to pass through.

Like I wrote, though, the image is very difficult to read, so I'm sure I've missed something.

If I remember a unit that cannot get to the table edge (i.e: surrounded by enemies) is destroyed (Page 45 of the Rulebook). I would think that the Space Marine's "And they Shall Know No Fear" rule does not apply here, as they are neither caught by the enemy on a sweeping advance nor forced to take a Regrouping test, they are caught while falling back and destroyed.