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Captain; Melta Bombs; Space Marine Bike; Plasma Pistol; Power Sword
Librarian; Null Zone; The Avenger; Psychic Hood; Space Marine Bike

2x Dreadnoughts with 2x Twin Linked Autocannons

Bike Squad 8 Space Marine Bikes; Meltagun x2; MM Attack Bike; Sergeant with Power Fist
Bike Squad 8 Space Marine Bikes; Meltagun x2; MM Attack Bike; Sergeant with Power Fist

10 man Tactical Squad; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Sergeant with Power Weapon
TL HB Razorback

10 man Tactical Squad; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Sergeant with Power Weapon
TL HB Razorback

10 man Tactical Squad; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Sergeant with Power Weapon
TL HB Razorback

I can combat squad the bikes into 4 tank hunting elements - the tactical squads are on horde control.

Do you think its competitive or too few models at 1850?

i think its good.
I personally don't dump that many points into my HQ... but i am not sure what else you could add if you shaved points there....

i like that there are lots of troops in this army.... not too many troop choice heavy armies out there now a days.

one thing you could do... is drop the serg power weapons, and the p.pistol from the captain, and add a land speeder with MM, to add a fast tank hunter to you list.... but only one might not be worth it in the long run.

if you drop the Libby entirely, a couple of landspeeders is definetly not out of the question. Speeders, while just as fragile as bikes, would give an extra tactical option for you as well as draw some fire from your bikes.

Id drop the Captain before the Libbie in this list. Its got 3 other troops choices before counting the bikes. He's worth about 170 points. I could swap him for 2 MM/HF speeders and upgrade those PW's to PF's in those tectical squads.

I think the Libbie adds alot to the list.

I agree the plasma pistol is questionable. I feel compelled to make use of his BS5.

Captain or libbie either way..... matter of preference i suppose lol.
I personally don't use power anything in my tact squads..... fist or weapon.... but that's a play style choice..... but yes i like the speeders, gives another target for your opponent to account for, and if he doesn't has the potential to wreck some havoc.

I'd swap PP on captain for hellfire rounds. Do better against monsters

How are you using your tactical squads? mobile bolter rapid fire?

Im hesitant to drop the Captain simply because its one of the few remaining advantages of playing smurfs.


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Im liking the hellfire suggestion - thanks! Now if I could find 5 more points to upgrade to a relic blade....

This is a solid list IMO, both HQs included. Only thing I would consider is rhinos over razorbacks for annhialation games, so you dont have to combat squad them.

scubasteve04 wrote:This is a solid list IMO, both HQs included. Only thing I would consider is rhinos over razorbacks for annhialation games, so you dont have to combat squad them.

valid point except he looses out on all that sweet sweet heavy bolter fire.. which is needed in this list without it, only 5 heavies in the whole army...

Well, looking again, the list seems to be a bit troop heavy. You could afford dropping 1, maybe 2 tac squads and add some heavy support elements.

Thanks for making me really think about this list.

I can drop a tactical squad.

What would be best to replace it with considering the rest of the list? The tacticals were dedicated anti-horde support for the bike squads.

Im thinking of one of three options....

8 Sterngard with 2 Heavy flamers in a rhino

OR

10 assault marines without jump packs and 2 flamers in a rhino - sgt with 2 lightning claws and giving the captain a relic blade

OR

8 Devastators with 4 missile launchers in a Razorback

For your captain I would give him a relic blade. Makes him a much better fighter. I would ditch the PP and just use hellfire rounds. Overall an interesting list that I think could do well. Not a tournament winning army but definitely a fun list!

Keep the tac squads, they're versatile fire platforms and scoring units.

What you could do is drop the captain for another libby geared the same. Attach one to each bike squad and give them a 5++ save, as well as a VERY nice template.

If you're intent is to drop one of the squads I would look towards a thunderfire. Most people dislike them unless they're packing 2 or 3 but if the squads are dedicated anti-horde, one of these bad boys will tickle you pink. 4 Small blast templates with options to ignore cover or chance to immobilize vehicles is absolutely beautiful. With the left over points I would bump the 2 tac squads left up to Lascannons instead of ML, or serg's weapon to a fist and replace the flamers with meltas.

That'll give you a nice bump in anti-tank

hmmm - Force dome may be redundant with the +3 invul when the bikes move flat out - I like Null Zone. Doesnt the thunderfire require LOS?

kaiservonhugal wrote:hmmm - Force dome may be redundant with the +3 invul when the bikes move flat out - I like Null Zone. Doesnt the thunderfire require LOS?

I would say the lightning attack one or the vortex attack as he is going to get up close and personnel.

Avenger is that AP3 template and nullzone helps against termies and seer counsels....

vortex is a good idea- provides another AT option...

MarshalKervhart wrote:Keep the tac squads, they're versatile fire platforms and scoring units.

What you could do is drop the captain for another libby geared the same. Attach one to each bike squad and give them a 5++ save, as well as a VERY nice template.

If you're intent is to drop one of the squads I would look towards a thunderfire. Most people dislike them unless they're packing 2 or 3 but if the squads are dedicated anti-horde, one of these bad boys will tickle you pink. 4 Small blast templates with options to ignore cover or chance to immobilize vehicles is absolutely beautiful. With the left over points I would bump the 2 tac squads left up to Lascannons instead of ML, or serg's weapon to a fist and replace the flamers with meltas.

That'll give you a nice bump in anti-tank

i like this option. +1

which part? he provides alot of options,,,

kaiservonhugal wrote:Avenger is that AP3 template and nullzone helps against termies and seer counsels....

vortex is a good idea- provides another AT option...

Well this is coming from me. Who's apoclypse list has 10 libarains. Which has every ability..... And like 20 Grey Knights backing me up.

kaiservonhugal wrote:which part? he provides alot of options,,,

the main point is the double libby's

but his thoughts on shuffling around the special weapons, and dropping the tact. squad are good as well.

Maybe even consider a biker CMD squad packing 4 special weapons. 4x plasma for heavy infantry/MC/light armor hunting, meltas for anti heavy armor, and flamers for crowd control!

Ill re-work the list with 2 Libbies in it and check out what other options this makes available for the tactical squads. Ill need to keep the 2 Tect squads to do this as those bikes squads wouldnt count as scoring any longer.

kaiservonhugal wrote:hmmm - Force dome may be redundant with the +3 invul when the bikes move flat out - I like Null Zone. Doesnt the thunderfire require LOS?

True, but sometimes the bikes don't/can't move flat out, so it boils down to personal prefrence I suppose.

Yes the cannon needs LoS, but stick it in/on a building. The techmarine that comes free with it can bolster defences the building, and you can bring a squad of gun servitors attached with him, providing wound soaks and added firepower. End result is a very resiliant unit with long range and a +2/3 cover save depending on the building they're in.

kaiservonhugal wrote:Ill re-work the list with 2 Libbies in it and check out what other options this makes available for the tactical squads. Ill need to keep the 2 Tect squads to do this as those bikes squads wouldnt count as scoring any longer.

Just to tell you I agree. Libbys are better than Commanders by a long shot. Only good things about commanders in the 4th were their leadership bonus.

Im pretty sure the Techmarine cant bring servitors with him.

I do like the look of 2 Libbies in the list - it'll come down to whether or not I feel comfortable with 3 troops vs. 5 troops. I think 3 is enough - but I like having scoring units that can move 24 inches. Its a tough call.

Actually you can. Under the armoury listing of Techmarine is the Servitor, stating that a unit of servitors may be taken for every MotF and Techmarine in your army. The rule is unless the servitors are with one of them, you test for mind lock. Don't have my codex handy but the only question here is if they can be with him while he fields the cannon, but with a 4+ roll they're fine even with-out him.

I think he's a techmarine gunner technically - Ill have to dig up my codex to be sure.

I would not advise taking servitors. They cost quite a bit without BS4 or WS4 from before.

I would hesitate as well but it is a cheap plasma cannon, food for thought

Id like to keep focused on 2 things primarily with this list:

Limiting the number of KP's as much as possible while maximizing the ability to capture or deny Objectives.

The bikes provide the list ability to capture and deny Objectives.

There are a few things Im scrutinizing - the Dread's, having 2 HQ's and the Rhino's/Razorbacks. These all provide additional KP's where other options may provide the same utility while limiting KP's.
Dropping a tactical squad for Thunderfires - while providing much needed horde control - swaps a solid KP for one that is marginal....

Not that I dont appreciate the feedback - just letting you know how Im evaluating it is all.