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Lately I have seen more than one player move vehicles or place scattered drop pods with part of the base hanging over the edge of the table. Sometimes it is to stay out of range of the opponent. Other times it is t avoid mishap. And I have even seen it done to get the best LOS.

Is a model 'off' the table if it balances ON the table?

I think this is appalling but is it legal?

We had a large thread about this not long ago...

You could get arguments that as long as one part is on, the whole thing counts as on.

There were two camps for this, but my solution would be to count what's "off" the table, as being unable to fire etc, but also not be targetted. Then everything thats "on" the table counts as a target, can shoot etc.

I honestly have no idea what the best solution is, but thats my two cents.

I'll just leave this here...http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315833.page

Also how are you avoiding mishap by deploying only partially on the table?

zeshin wrote:I'll just leave this here...http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315833.page

Also how are you avoiding mishap by deploying only partially on the table?

Example: Drop pod enters play and scatters so that half of the model is off the table and the controlling player say "no mishap! Man, that was a close call!" An then you reply with a a grumble and a frown that says "what an a$$"

Deuce11 wrote:

zeshin wrote:I'll just leave this here...http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/315833.page

Also how are you avoiding mishap by deploying only partially on the table?

Example: Drop pod enters play and scatters so that half of the model is off the table and the controlling player say "no mishap! Man, that was a close call!" An then you reply with a a grumble and a frown that says "what an a$$"

So because it was a close call but still on the table it is not a mishap (of course the other thread has some dissenting ideas about "on" and "off"). I thought they were getting as close as they could to the edge in order to avoid a mishap...which wouldn't work as a DP will indeed mishap if it scatters off the board. Though in that instance I might ask "did part of the DP go over the edge?" and if the answer was yes I might then ask "if part of the DP was on difficult terrain or another model how would we handle that?".

Deja vu.....

I'd seriously read the epic thread of all epicness if you want to see all the arguments discussing this.

If I was using my own computer I would MS paint a few examples. But just imagine a Drop pod being placed without any other circumstances with the base half off the table. Also imagine a tank moving at combat speed so that an inch or so of its rear end hanging off the table.

I guess the answer is no one really knows.

I think there was a rule in 4th edition where the model's not even allowed to touch the edge of the table, much less hang off it like that. Dunno about the current edition tho, since this sounds like some obscure part of the rulebook with a one-off mention that the writers never thought players would abuse.

I generally interpret it as: "It is both on and off the table (if it's sitting partially on/off), and therefore satisfies the reserve rules for "arriving" but it also satisfies the rules for mishaps. Therefore, it suffers a mishap as that breaks less rules."

Mishap includes being over table edges upon resolution.

The hammer on the table issue issue is basically unrelated as it generally acknowledges that both apply. Moving on allows it to be partially off.

Deepstriking restricts it from being partially off.

Therefore even though it is allowed by moving on generally, it is disallowed by deepstriking specifically.

As I read it.

Remaining partially off the table when moving on from the edge is arguably legal, although many players disagree. See the previous mega thread for a run down on why.

Deliberately moving partially off the table is covered (and is not being allowed) by the Rulebook FAQ.

insaniak wrote:Remaining partially off the table when moving on from the edge is arguably legal, although many players disagree. See the previous mega thread for a run down on why.

Deliberately moving partially off the table is covered (and is not being allowed) by the Rulebook FAQ.

+1

insaniak wrote:Remaining partially off the table when moving on from the edge is arguably legal

its arguably Illegal as well.

read the thread, if you still cant decide then make something up, cause the rules only sort of cover this situation.

Well, if you argue that partially on is enough to fulfill the requirement for "on the table," then it's arguable that partially off is enough to fulfill the requirement for "off the table."

By that logic, any part that leaves the table during scatter causes a mishap.

If you don't follow this particular interpretation, then just make something up.

DeathReaper wrote:

insaniak wrote:Remaining partially off the table when moving on from the edge is arguably legal

its arguably Illegal as well.

Well, yes, that's what it means. If it's only 'arguably legal' that means there is a case for it also not being so.

You kind of have to house rule this one.

Sadly the rule book fails to give any real mention to the edge of the table at all. The rulebook FAQ and the mishap rules mention the edge of the table but there is no clarification as to whether "move off the table" includes partially off or not.

brbfaq wrote:Q. Can models move off the table?
A. Not unless a rule or the mission being played
clearly specify that they can. All good wargamers
know that the edge of the table is the end of the
world!

Table edges are also mentioned in the blast weapon rules - templates that scatter so that the centre hole is off the table are automatically misses and have no effect. That seems a bit harsh as almost half the template would still be on the table. It would also suggest that having half your model hanging off was not intended to be permissible.

It's yet another oversight in the rulebook and just not covered.

By that train of thought, if I DS 5 termis and 2 of the bases en up half on the board and half on the air... they're in? xDDDD

I thought boards were 180x120... and no +- extra inches.

Tanhausen wrote:By that train of thought, if I DS 5 termis and 2 of the bases en up half on the board and half on the air... they're in? xDDDD

I thought boards were 180x120... and no +- extra inches.

Boards can be any size you want, and the Deep Strike rules say what happens if some land off the board.