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Ok, the premise: I'm going to try something I've never tried before this Christmas; buying a whole army in one go and then painting all the models to the best of my ability. I've decided to go for Imperial Fists, and a small model count army. This is mainly due to the desire to complete the army quickly, and due to space limitations.

So, I thought, how about a terminator company force! I'm heading for the goal of 1.5k points in the first wave, and my intention is to plan an all-comers (competitive if possible) army list. However, I'm stuck on which codex to choose. Dark Angels have the original deathwing, and they're more codex in their approach then the other choice: Space Wolves.

Which do you think would suit an Imperial Fists terminator strike force better? and which makes for a more competitive terminator army list?

Thanks

Lunarman


p.s. I'm hoping to mainly include termintors, dreadnoughts and land raiders, with (possibly) vindicators if there's room. Any army list hints, or just general comments would be appreciated!

I would go with the main codex space marines. It's robust and flexible in what you can field. Remember youll need to field 2 troops and 1 HQ to make it legal. So your cheapest way is 2 5 man scout squads I guess. I would give those sniper rifles. Then you can get yourself a squad of assault terminators in a land raider, Chapter master/chaplain/librarian in terminator armour, A dreadnought and whatever else you feel fits. The terminators + landraider can take up over 600 points if its a full squad. So you wont have many problems keeping the numbers down.

Competetively... Space Wolves but rules too suit an Imperial Fist 1st company probably Dark Angels but i haven't seen that codex so i don't know.

Lexx wrote:I would go with the main codex space marines. It's robust and flexible in what you can field. Remember youll need to field 2 troops and 1 HQ to make it legal. So your cheapest way is 2 5 man scout squads I guess.

I believe he could also field 2 5 man combat squads of tactical marines as well. However, I think a couple of sniper armed scout squads would support Terms better than tac marines.

IMO there should be rules for making an all Terminator army, since the 1st company of every chapter is all Terms. Kinda funny the game rules dont allow you to field something that is common practice for SM.

How many termie squads do you think I should aim for? 3, 4?


I'm not so tempted to use a Codex that doesn't allow Termies as troop choices, and that was really the fee; I was going for.

Thanks for the input

I dont think any codex allows Termies as troop choices, so as far as being "legal" your SOL.

There should be a 1st company rule that allows it IMO. Something like this:

Terminator squads as troops.
HQ must be equipped w Term armor
Land Raiders allowed as transport/heavy support.
Dreds as Hvy support.
Special Characters allowed.

No other units allowed. Thats pretty much how a codex correct 1st company is laid out.

Pretty much the army would have to be Term HQ, Term squads, and land raiders. Maybe a character.

Space Wolves Loganwing are more expensive per model, as in you're paying more for TH/SS marines. DA are, in my opinion, a better choice for Deathwing.

Plus you get Deathwing assault if you go DA.

By the way, guys who are saying you can't take termies as troops:

Belial (DA Special character) allows for it,
Logan Grimnar (SW special character) allows for it

EDIT:

Realistically, IMO, the best approach is to build a list using both codex, and go from there.

Mad4Minis wrote:I dont think any codex allows Termies as troop choices, so as far as being "legal" your SOL.

Dark Angels do if you take the Deathwing.

Space Wolves do if you take Wolf Guard.

Yeah, I had a go at a wolf guard termie list, which seemed to be a lot more expensive, point-wise, than dark angels.

rough lists I was thinking:

Dark Angels:
Master
Interrogator Chaplain
SS & TH termie squad
Land Raider Crusaider

venerable dread with multi-melta in drop pod

2 shooty termi squads

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Or

Master
Chaplain
2 Venerable dreads with assault cannons in drop-pods
2 assault cannon termie squads
1 CC termie squad

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Or (for SW)
Logan
5 shooty wolf guard termies
5 combi-melta wolf guard termies
4 CC wolf guard termies
5 shooty wolf guard termies
1 dreadnought (naked)
5 drop pods

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Does anyone think these lists are alright? or have any comments on my direction? I'm nervous about doing an entirely deep striking army, as many boards feature lots of terrain and it would be very hard to get my squads down safely. Do any daemon players have anything to say about this? Is it nerve-racking? Do I need teleport homers of somekind?

I could always take a tiny squad of ravenwing scout bikers to get my termies in position, but then the enemy knows where I'm coming from!