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Ok. So i've recently played an apocolypse game. 16k+ points. One of the things i tried to do was limit the Catachan army my Tyranids were facing. With a strategic asset (cant remember the name of it, but it makes all non-nid units treat any terrain like dangerous terrain). Now the in the Catachan Codex, it says that all Catachans treat all as if it were normal terrain. Becuase I lost the argument i was eaten away by Catachans. Just wanted to hear what others have to say on this.

*Plus i think the Catachans are to out-dated for 5th ed. IMHO*

JMO
thanks,...

LKKMateo wrote:Ok. So i've recently played an apocolypse game. 16k+ points. One of the things i tried to do was limit the Catachan army my Tyranids were facing. With a strategic asset (cant remember the name of it, but it makes all non-nid units treat any terrain like dangerous terrain). Now the in the Catachan Codex, it says that all Catachans treat all as if it were normal terrain. Becuase I lost the argument i was eaten away by Catachans. Just wanted to hear what others have to say on this.

*Plus i think the Catachans are to out-dated for 5th ed. IMHO*

JMO
thanks,...

Catachans are no longer a current codex, so its up to you to decide if you want to use it or not.

Well the problem is, it's my friends army, not mine. lol but thatnks!

It's Apoc, a game everyone is supposed to set up for fun by making sure the scenario will be enjoyable for both sides. You'd have to agree on assets and special rules beforehand so that one army isn't totally crippled at the outset. You'd also agree on which armies to use before the game, ofc.

Our group usually throws out the Flank March and Jamming Beacon assets, for example... no fun having all the CC-heavy enemy reinforcements in your rear or having your reserves turn up in stupid places half the time.

Gwar! wrote:

LKKMateo wrote:Ok. So i've recently played an apocolypse game. 16k+ points. One of the things i tried to do was limit the Catachan army my Tyranids were facing. With a strategic asset (cant remember the name of it, but it makes all non-nid units treat any terrain like dangerous terrain). Now the in the Catachan Codex, it says that all Catachans treat all as if it were normal terrain. Becuase I lost the argument i was eaten away by Catachans. Just wanted to hear what others have to say on this.

*Plus i think the Catachans are to out-dated for 5th ed. IMHO*

JMO
thanks,...

Catachans are no longer a current codex, so its up to you to decide if you want to use it or not.

Aside from the lack of current sale/print; Says who?

Heck even my eye of terror Codex does not say anything to the effect of: can only be played in 3rd edition Warhammer 40,000. (true nearly all the armies in it require the use of later-updated codexes, and is thus unplayable)

But there ghas been no update to Codex: Catachans; nor has either of the last 2 guard codexes said that they replace codex Catachans(that I can remember, I know 4th had the doctrines for them, but i don't recall it stating that it replaced the Catachan Codex).

By that argument, there are no codices that have been specifically made redundant and so all printed codices are legal. Yay, Squats still live!

While there's no RAW argument for it, it's hard to justify using a codex that is no longer in print.

Cheexsta wrote:By that argument, there are no codices that have been specifically made redundant and so all printed codices are legal. Yay, Squats still live!

Not quite true. Previous FAQ's have rendered certain codexes or lists redundant over the years, particularly in the case of the 3rd edition sub-dexes that were designed to work with a 3rd edition parent codex.

While there's no RAW argument for it, it's hard to justify using a codex that is no longer in print.

That would stop people from using Daemon- or Witch Hunters, and most likely Necrons as well...



There is nothing (outside of tournament or league play that lists exactly which books are in use) that says you have to use a codex that is still in print, or even that you have to stop using a codex when a newer version is released.

However, using any of the 3rd edition sub-dexes is going to run you into some issues, largely because both their parent codexes and the core rules have changed, so they will require a certain amount of tweaking in order for them to work with the current rules. If you and your opponent are happy to do that tweaking, I see no reason to not use whatever codexes you want to use.


So to return to the original question, if the asset makes a terrain feature Dangerous, and Catachans treat that terrain as clear, then the asset will have no effect on Catachans.

Note though that the Catachans' terrain rule actually only allows them to treat woods and jungle terrain as clear for movement. Other types of terrain (ruins, for example) are not affected.

Haha, how heated. Lol this is all great perspective thanks much!