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Okay so I have been playing 40k for sometime now, but I keep "drifting" by this I mean going to different races constantly. I have played almost every army (except the imperial armies. SM, Gaurd, ect.) Now before anyone goes off saying oh play SM well my response is no. And I do have my reasons 1. Almost every space marine player I have ever played against has either been an impatient grown man(sad huh?) or a really annoying like 10-12 year old. This isnt an attack on anyone that plays SM or how old you are, but these experiences have left a bad taste in my mouth for imperial forces. 2. The gret majority of 40k players plays Imperial forces I dont wanna hop on that bandwagon. 3. The imperial forces just are not my playstyle I'm not exactly into a mass of tanks, or elite 3+ save units I like alittle of everything and I like being in close combat. I played Tyranids during their 4th edition codex and I was happy, until their 5th edition codex which personally I thought was pretty bad. I have recently played dark eldar until now after seeing some of their models which some of them I do not like at all. And I also have seen their new codex (and no I will not post it on Dakka I do not want GW's militia lawers comming to my doors, if you want to see it PM me with your email and I will email you the general outline (rules, stats, names, ect.) I played orks but I knew nothing of them and was expecting a more serious tone and I did not have much fun playing them. So I'm pretty much at a loss I have a dusty Tyranid army and a Dusty Dark Eldar army sitting around, and I'm probably going to sell them or somethin. With all that said I definately want to continue 40k but I need advice on an army and why I should play it. Also I tend to plan things out and organise my army in a very odd way for example (If I were to play SM I would not take a land raider of anykind or terminators I think they are a waste of points feel free to comment on this last thing)

What race do you like the look of most?

Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.


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Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.

Honestly I'm not too picky with looks really, I would suppose Chaos Daemons or Tyranids. However I have not played Daemons and therefore do not understand anything about them, and with Tyranids I think their new codex is terrible so unless someone can tell me somethings that could help explain why they arent so bad then I would be willing to give them another go


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undivided wrote:Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.


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Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.

CSM was my first army actually but I had to get rid of them because my parents though it was "satanist" granted that now I'm older they dont really care what a bunch of plastic models look like or are about so I'm not restraind anymore

To be honest the codex isn't bad, people are just bad tacticians/strategists. Provided there are armies with deathstar units but even the best 1 unit cannot compete with a strong strategy to combat that and the army.

Go with what you want, just sit down on the GW site and look through all the models and read some fluff and whatever race has captivated you, go with.

Squig_herder wrote:To be honest the codex isn't bad, people are just bad tacticians/strategists. Provided there are armies with deathstar units but even the best 1 unit cannot compete with a strong strategy to combat that and the army.

Go with what you want, just sit down on the GW site and look through all the models and read some fluff and whatever race has captivated you, go with.

True, and maybe I am going about the nid codex the wrong way. But can we agree that the pyrovores are really bad, and the synapse giving immunity to instant death being gone hurts alot? I would say one of my SM friends would have a deathstar army combo 2 chaper masters and 2 whirlwinds so between 2 orbital bombardments and 2 barrage artillery hammering you chances are your army will be crippled very fast, personally I don't consider that to be OP or anything I do think it is very annoying however I want to give daemons a try but I'd need to know about them first, I like to be able to hit fast and hard.

I don't play Daemons, but I've played against them a lot and they seem really fun. My friend plays them and he likes them, but, up to you. Otherwise I would reccomend Orkz (or Dark Eldar, but you've already tried them) but then I'm biased.

Adding to what I wrote earlier, choose an army that would suit your play style. Note that I said army, not race, because two armies could be of the same races, but could also be totally different in terms of things beyond race.

Yes they do seem like alot of fun but it also seems like an extreme amount of luck is needed and luck is something I'm not running very well on (my dice hate me I really need to replace them) Yes I'm going to assume you like dark eldar lol, well from the picture I assume you also like the new mandrakes which is good becuase they are going to be a very, very good choice but that is rather off topic I assume? Oh and for the races please nobody suggest necrons I tried them thinking they were going to be like the best faction man was I depressed


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undivided wrote:Adding to what I wrote earlier, choose an army that would suit your play style. Note that I said army, not race, because two armies could be of the same races, but could also be totally different in terms of things beyond race.

That is a very good point you make, thanks for reminding me that some races are the same I'll be sure to remember that.


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Well thankyou all so much for the advice, and general discussion. I have decided to dust off my nids and try to give the imperial forces a very bad day

ShadowZetki wrote:Well thankyou all so much for the advice, and general discussion. I have decided to dust off my nids and try to give the imperial forces a very bad day

Best of luck As people have said, their codex definitely isn't bad per se, it just takes some thought. Which is never a bad thing! =D

Squig_herder wrote:What race do you like the look of most?

Do this and work on from there.

You can always take Orks seriously. I do. It's more interesting and fun taken seriously than they ever were as "comedic relief" in my experience.

As far as 'nids go, the bugs indeed are quite competitive-- requiring more thought than some fifth edition codices, but still capable of laying down the hurt.

Or eldar
Yeah go orcs. We need more orc players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOO MANY SM!
But I agree Melissia. Of course i do own 6 armies. So yeah.
But CSM where your first army? Why not just play renegade? Buy some SM stuff and use that for CSM. Or you could play orcs.
Just to tell you the Tyranid codex is not horrible it is just stupid.

Melissia wrote:You can always take Orks seriously. I do. It's more interesting and fun taken seriously than they ever were as "comedic relief" in my experience.

As far as 'nids go, the bugs indeed are quite competitive-- requiring more thought than some fifth edition codices, but still capable of laying down the hurt.

Asherian Command wrote:Or eldar
Yeah go orcs. We need more orc players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOO MANY SM!
But I agree Melissia. Of course i do own 6 armies. So yeah.
But CSM where your first army? Why not just play renegade? Buy some SM stuff and use that for CSM. Or you could play orcs.
Just to tell you the Tyranid codex is not horrible it is just stupid.

I'm sure the bugs are very competitive it's just there are so many useless things in their codex it isnt even funny (pyrovore) and their anti-tank is very limited (your monsterous creatures being your absolute bread and butter and if you take a tyrant he is good at that too, the zoans are also very much needed) I mean I already have a small army of bugs so why not dust them off? I've already posted a list I made for them (not very expensive to obtain either, but still deadly... to me atleast) I would play eldar it's just there is something about them I really do not like and I have terrible experiences with psykers, the only reason I played DE was because they were rather simple (and sadist pirates whom took prisoners and tortured them) unfortunately with the new codex and alot of the new models I'm just not feeling it (I especially despise the new lelith hesperax model it looks terrible, she looks like some chick who took too many steroirds and looks rather manly)



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Also forgot to include the thing about the csm thing. Well I like csm I just felt their old codex was alittle bit better. And I'm not gonna buy SM models even for them to be traitors I always thought sm looked well, pretty gay. And I liked csm because they were different, but now with their new codex they lost so many options and so many customizable stuff it kinda chased me away, I mean they still are powerful and the berzerkers are still scary however after they lost daemons as their units that kinda got annoying 100 points for greater daemon? yeah sure sounds good. Compared to other greater daemons and some other bigthings? Ehm I'd rather have abbadon anyday(probably bad comparison) Terminator lord of Tzeench with lighting claw, last longer and does just as well if not better. Not to mention daemon/witch hunters are rather popular around where I live for some reason. But SM and guard still dominate the populace.

Tyranids, the great devourer!

ShadowZetki wrote:

Melissia wrote:You can always take Orks seriously. I do. It's more interesting and fun taken seriously than they ever were as "comedic relief" in my experience.

As far as 'nids go, the bugs indeed are quite competitive-- requiring more thought than some fifth edition codices, but still capable of laying down the hurt.

Asherian Command wrote:Or eldar
Yeah go orcs. We need more orc players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOO MANY SM!
But I agree Melissia. Of course i do own 6 armies. So yeah.
But CSM where your first army? Why not just play renegade? Buy some SM stuff and use that for CSM. Or you could play orcs.
Just to tell you the Tyranid codex is not horrible it is just stupid.

I'm sure the bugs are very competitive it's just there are so many useless things in their codex it isnt even funny (pyrovore) and their anti-tank is very limited (your monsterous creatures being your absolute bread and butter and if you take a tyrant he is good at that too, the zoans are also very much needed) I mean I already have a small army of bugs so why not dust them off? I've already posted a list I made for them (not very expensive to obtain either, but still deadly... to me atleast) I would play eldar it's just there is something about them I really do not like and I have terrible experiences with psykers, the only reason I played DE was because they were rather simple (and sadist pirates whom took prisoners and tortured them) unfortunately with the new codex and alot of the new models I'm just not feeling it (I especially despise the new lelith hesperax model it looks terrible, she looks like some chick who took too many steroirds and looks rather manly)



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Also forgot to include the thing about the csm thing. Well I like csm I just felt their old codex was alittle bit better. And I'm not gonna buy SM models even for them to be traitors I always thought sm looked well, pretty gay. And I liked csm because they were different, but now with their new codex they lost so many options and so many customizable stuff it kinda chased me away, I mean they still are powerful and the berzerkers are still scary however after they lost daemons as their units that kinda got annoying 100 points for greater daemon? yeah sure sounds good. Compared to other greater daemons and some other bigthings? Ehm I'd rather have abbadon anyday(probably bad comparison) Terminator lord of Tzeench with lighting claw, last longer and does just as well if not better. Not to mention daemon/witch hunters are rather popular around where I live for some reason. But SM and guard still dominate the populace.

Well just to tell you. Marines are not gay. The only gay ones are the Ultras. It just matters on how you build them and use them.
But yeah I agree the new chaos marine codex is not that good. But it is so much better than their pervious codex which WAS SO RIGGED!

In what way do you mean rigged with the previous chaos codex? like overpowered rigged? Or underpowered rigged? Well I still kinda think SM are rather fruity and their terminators look like some dude uncomfortably crammed into a box, I'm willing to bet if you pushed one of those over he probably wouldn't be able to get back up. And The land raider is a very unoriginal tank GW stole the design from a tank in world war one literally. (I will give credit that it is difficult to make something new like that, however it does urk me when most people dont even know that the land raider is taken from something very old and refuse to acknowledge it)

So you think Space Marines look rather "fruity", and you're playing (Chaos) Space Marines? Does this mean you have a problem with Space Marines being fruity, or not? Your language is ambiguous O.o

Yeah what do you mean by fruity? Do you mean like they look like pineapples?
Or do they look like someone threw some fruits into a basket and made a super paint and called it a space marine?

Melissia wrote:So you think Space Marines look rather "fruity", and you're playing (Chaos) Space Marines? Does this mean you have a problem with Space Marines being fruity, or not? Your language is ambiguous O.o

Asherian Command wrote:Yeah what do you mean by fruity? Do you mean like they look like pineapples?
Or do they look like someone threw some fruits into a basket and made a super paint and called it a space marine?

No I'm not playing CSM that was my first army a long time ago, I hated SM but I was new to the game a friend of mine suggested CSM for first army to help me get used to the game. Then over time everything for 40k became so focused on space marine, space marine, space marine I got absolutely sick of it. And I hated the look of them then, and I hate it now (I wasnt much more fond of the chaos space marines, however the plauge marines and berzerkers gave a much better spin on marines in general) Umm Asherian I think your taking what I said alittle too literally, fruity as in stupid, boring, ect. Also you havent explained why you think the old chaos codex was rigged

Yeah, that's a very peculiar use of "Fruity", as where I come from it usually means "weird" or "mentally unstable".

Which in retrospect is also applicable to most Space Marines.

ShadowZetki wrote:

Melissia wrote:So you think Space Marines look rather "fruity", and you're playing (Chaos) Space Marines? Does this mean you have a problem with Space Marines being fruity, or not? Your language is ambiguous O.o

Asherian Command wrote:Yeah what do you mean by fruity? Do you mean like they look like pineapples?
Or do they look like someone threw some fruits into a basket and made a super paint and called it a space marine?

Also you havent explained why you think the old chaos codex was rigged

Well. When i started playing someone would deck out there Daemon Prince so much that he could move 24" in one turn D:. And he had all these benefits. The originial chaos codex was so freaking powerful that they didn't play test it that well.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, that's a very peculiar use of "Fruity", as where I come from it usually means "weird" or "mentally unstable".

Which in retrospect is also applicable to most Space Marines.

That is definately something new and interesting to learn. Goodthing I explained how I meant it or that definately would have seemed like a huge contradiction But like I said earlier I have just had soo many bad experiences with many SM players (not saying all or the majority are donkey-caves at all but the majority I fought were poor sports) I seriously got yelled at by some dude 30+ in age that was in the army because I was new to the game and hadn't understood it at the time (maturity at it's finest right?) So it left a rather bad taste of the faction in general not the players that and too much focus on the marines just got on my nerves, and it hadn't helped I wasnt fond of the space marine look to begin with


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Asherian Command wrote:Yeah what do you mean by fruity? Do you mean like they look like pineapples?
Or do they look like someone threw some fruits into a basket and made a super paint and called it a space marine?

Also you havent explained why you think the old chaos codex was rigged

Eldar because they have a powerful balance of speed and power, also they can be used in almost any situation

EldarKatana wrote:Eldar because they have a powerful balance of speed and power, also they can be used in almost any situation

I'm actually going to start an eldar army further on when I become more skilled (or atleast collect more bugs ) They interest me but likely not a very good army for someone who is relatively bad at 40k


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Well I'm definately glad alot of people are posting on this, but I still could use some advice on my 2.5k tyranid list I posted on the army list section Because thus far I haven't recived any helpful advise so I'm alittle confused if I'm doing things right or wrong. So just give my army list post a look and all that, and I'll still be active on this topic too (Interesting conversations)

ShadowZetki wrote:Honestly I'm not too picky with looks really, I would suppose Chaos Daemons or Tyranids. However I have not played Daemons and therefore do not understand anything about them, and with Tyranids I think their new codex is terrible so unless someone can tell me somethings that could help explain why they arent so bad then I would be willing to give them another go


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undivided wrote:Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.


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Kick the Emperor in the face, join Chaos!

Seriously though, choose something you won't get bored with.

CSM was my first army actually but I had to get rid of them because my parents though it was "satanist" granted that now I'm older they dont really care what a bunch of plastic models look like or are about so I'm not restraind anymore

How about Inquisition? The GK's look cool, and the new codex is coming out soon, with plastics. I say go for them. I know I am.

No, I'm not going for them. I'm not exactly the zealous daemon-slyer kind, and I do not like the imperial forces.