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Hey fellas,

So I was thinking, with all the tournaments that we already have on the west coast, and with more sprouting up, what do you guys think about organizing a California or West Coast Cup? Maybe even a Western States Cup or something?

Essentially, we would tally up tournament wins on a point scale and at the end of the year, whoever has the most points wins the title of best player on the west coast (or whatever region we define it as).

It would be cool to have an actual cup/trophy that the winner sent to the next winner every year. They could display it at their store for the year while they had it. But really, we could even do it as just a bragging rights thing with an E-Trophy.

Anyway, I thought it would be pretty cool and was wondering what others thought. All we would really need to do would be to come up with a scoring system as to how to rate tournaments on a points scale and then make a simple website to track the points (or even do it here on Dakka).

So, what do you guys think? I think it is a cool idea and would add a little bit of prestige to winning the most tournaments on the West Coast.

I am not certain how I could help, but it sounds like fun to me.

It'd be pretty easy to do really, just assign a points value for placement in each tournament, keep track of the points, then award a trophy/cup to the winner at the end of the year. I think it's be cool to be able to have the cup/trophy up on display at your FLGS. Give a sense of pride to the store and your game club!

It's nice to have regional stuff like that... I know around here they have a club rivalry anually (the NEWCC- Northeast Warhammer Club Championship). I was actually at mikhaila's store where they held it this year over the weekend, it looked like a great time . Might have to get in on it next year!

Here's a link to a thread I found about it, I'm sure mikhaila/scooter/someone else involved could fill people in more.

http://icgc.users-board.net/tournaments-f11/newcc-t784.htm

Anyway, just thinking out loud, obviously this has to do with clubs and not individuals, and is a single event (but has carryover from the previous year... I think basically the winning club gets to hold the next year's event at their "home" store?) rather than counting all of your results from that year. But maybe something from it will give you an idea

Thanks for the input. Yeah, something like that but instead of for a team, for an individual who was the best player at the most tournaments. It also encourages people to go to multiple events so that they can grab the prize.

Reecius I've been looking for ways to expand on our ELO tracking. I'm already doing it at our site for our tourneys. Maybe we could look into ways to increase the tracking. Kinda like a Rankings HQ but only for tourneys without soft scores.

Ideally we expand the Sprue Posse system and run those tourneys elsewhere and track accordingly but I'm open to other ideas if they are solid enough.

Let me know if you want to discuss further.

Yeah, that sounds great!

Are there enough no-soft score tournaments on the west coast to build this up?


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Or, we could go nation-wide, but I think it is easier for people to go for the cup if it is a regional thing, that way they don't have to travel far to stay competitive.

Also, you can use just the Battle scores in all tournaments. That way all tournaments played in will be usable and those tournaments can still have soft scores.

You should also think about minimum requirements. Examples: Minimum 50 player tournament must be 5 games, etc…

Sounds like fun so far.

Doc

Also, you can use just the Battle scores in all tournaments. That way all tournaments played in will be usable and those tournaments can still have soft scores.

You should also think about minimum requirements. Examples: Minimum 50 player tournament must be 5 games, etc…

Sounds like fun so far.

Doc

Also, you can use just the Battle scores in all tournaments. That way all tournaments played in will be usable and those tournaments can still have soft scores.

You should also think about minimum requirements. Examples: Minimum 50 player tournament must be 5 games, etc…

Sounds like fun so far.

Doc

I think Doc likes this idea

But seriously I'm a fan of it. It'd be nice for bragging rights and though it would contribute to me playing the same army all year instead of switching to a silly one once I've achieved my golden ticket like I did this year

Hmmm.... 3 post's...OK, Sorry for the spam, don't know how I did that but sorry anyway.

Now if I could just get my 3 winning lotto tickets..

Reecius wrote:Yeah, that sounds great!

Are there enough no-soft score tournaments on the west coast to build this up?


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Or, we could go nation-wide, but I think it is easier for people to go for the cup if it is a regional thing, that way they don't have to travel far to stay competitive.

I'm not sure how many soft score free tourney circuits exist. Maybe the best thing to do is start one up?

If you're interesting in starting something up locally I think that's the easiest thing to do.

Essentially I'd recommend the following:

1) Locate a store near you that is interested in running RTT's or switching over to our format.
2) Help facilitate them using our system.

That doesn't mean you need to TO them but you need to "walk it in" and see if they are interested and capable of running them in that way.

3) If someone set's up a tourney like this I'll do the following:

a) Promote it on my blog
b) Post results as they are presented to me
c) Post pictures from the events
d) Track all ELO scores

I don't want just anyone doing this because I need someone to vet the scores and results I'm getting are legitimate. It's a lot of lift on the other side so I realize it's much easier said than done. But that's the best way I can support without being there (and I can't be there I'm running my own setup down here).

However if someone does want to do this at their FLGS it would be a great start, I just need to make sure I know who I'm talking to.

I know that's not exactly what you had in mind but if you're interested in doing something like this I think it could be a cool statewide setup that could really generate some cool results.

I meant locally relatively. As in, the west coast, not all of the USA and Canada.

I think weighting the results based on size of the tournament would be a good idea, too. How exactly that would be done will take a little thought.

I think if we just build it on the existing tournament infrastructure that would be easiest. I mean already we have:

SoCal Slaughter
SoCal Smackdown
Broadside Bash
Gathering in the desert (it's in AZ, but close)
Da Grand WAGGH!
The Bay Area Open (the GT we're organizing up here)
And a few in Seattle

Are there any in Oregon? I would think Portland would have one?

Doc Dragon has a good idea. Just take the Battle Points from each tournament, that eliminates soft scores, and add them up. We would need some way to account for larger and smaller tournaments.

But, at year's end, we see who racked up the most points, or take the best of 3 or 5 tournament results and announce the winner and the runners up.

I think it would be pretty easy and cool.

I say sticking it at 3 best performances is generally for the best. At 5 your requiring people to travel more than a fair distance and giving an insanse advantage to those of us in here in SoCal who can make 3-4 locally and then just head up once to another. We'll max out much, much faster which isn't cool. I like the pure BP's aspect. I'd say only count tournies with 40+ players. Things would need to worked out but I like the idea.

40 may be a bit high, a lot of tournaments only draw 30.

I'll work on some numbers but I think a 30 player minimum would suffice as RTT's don't draw that many. 5 games, 30 players, top 3 performances of the year. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Will there be a list of all the tournies that will be counted towards this "e-cup" ?

Yeah, for sure. We could shoot for an inaugural 2011 season. In the meantime, we can hammer out the details and get the information about it out there into the net community.

Just make sure to hit up the TO's. I recommend coming up with a flyer/website/exerp so that the TO's can also promote it and really feel involved. I don't know how hard a site like RankingsHQ but just for the west coast would be but it could be very cool. I just dont' know anything about building website that aren't blogs

It doesn't need to be anything fancy, we can use a blog at first and if it catches on we'll get more into it.

That is a good idea to make like an e-flier or something to help tournaments promote themselves. They can say, this is a golden ticket event, X amount of money in prize support and it is a qualifier for the West Coast Cup or something. It might help to drive up attendance.

I think a blog would be fine for starters.

Lovely idea. It would be great to contest with folks whom one is likely to have met frequently.

Really hoping that you take doc's suggestion to include tourneys with soft scores, but only count their battle points scores.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes. Please let us all know if there's anything that volunteers can assist with.

I think the BP's only of the softer events should totally be included. As long as they make the bare minimum for number of attendees and rounds I think this is a great idea assuming the TO's would want to be involved. It could be a lot of fun and a silly little thing.

Yes, the BP for soft score events ia a great idea as it eliminates the subjective variability of those events but doesn't penalize people for attending them.

@Savnock
Yes exactly! By keeping it relatively local, it is more fun as the bragging rights mean something! It is your friends and rivals you are competing against and as such, it is cool to earn the title. I will start contacting some TO's to see if they would like to be included in this idea.

Is this just going to be 40K or are y'all also going to track Fantasy tournaments?

I would also consider limiting the number of events used in the score...otherwise it boils down to who can buy a trophy by going to alot of events. Who is geographically positioned to easilly attend numerous events with minimal travel/hotel/food expenses.
Something along the lines of best scores from 2 GT events, 3 RTTs, and 1 "wild card" event; an out of area tourny (Adepticon, Games Day, etc) or a one-off event like the 'Games-I-Play Double Trouble), or an extra GT/RTT score.

You could also make it a pay-to-play system where each participant buys in for a nominal fee (like $5). The proceeds go towards the purchase of the trophy. In addition a smaller "keeper trophy" could be presented year to year so the past winners get to keep some bling on their shelf at home (the same way the World series/Super Bowl Trophy is presented to the Team, but the individual players also get a ring to keep).

Yeah, we will definitely limit the amount of events that are included. I think 3 is a nice number.

@Doc
We should do Fantasy, too. I just don't follow Fantasy at all these days. I suppose it could be easy enough to do.

Maybe the few larger tournaments in Vegas could be involved as well? I think there is only Neoncon and Ironman but that adds a few more larger events to the pool. If you're going to AZ you gotta stop off in Vegas too! Cool idea, looking forward to seeing where it goes.

Yeah, Vegas isn't too far, I know a lot of us go out there for events. Plus that allows you guys who come out here for events to get in on the fun too.

I will start making a website this weekend. Er wait, it's Halloween, I will make a site next week and see what you guys think.

This is a cool idea. I would include Western USA...so like AZ, NV, CO and the like.

It would be nice to make this an actual tournament. Take like the top 16 in 40k and WFB and do a 1 day tournament somewhere.

Hey, that's not a bad idea! I wonder how many people would be willing to travel for something like that?