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For fun/possibly winning

Eldard 210

Avatar 155

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152
-Wave Serpent (Spirit Stones, EML) 130

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152
-Wave Serpent (Spirit Stones, EML) 130

Wraithlord (Shuriken Cannon, Scatter Laser) 120

Wraithlord (Bright Lance, Shuriken Cannon) 140


Could maybe get rid of Dire Avengers, and have footsloggin Harlequins (with spiritseer) in front of the advancing Wraithguard....and another Wraithlord

The Avatar is doing nothing for you in this list, one of the things that makes the avatar great is his fearless bubble, but WG are already fearless and Eldrad will give the squad he's with LD 10 anyway. I'd put that 155 points into something else.

I agree the Avatar is a waste.

Here's how I would field this army Idea.

Eldard 210

Warlock (Singing Spear/Destructor) 5x 190
Spiritseer w Spear 1x 34

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152

Wraithlord (BL, EML) 155

Wraithlord (BL, EML) 155

Wraithlord (BL, EMl ) 155

Total 1995

RinesofGlory wrote:I agree the Avatar is a waste.

Here's how I would field this army Idea.

Eldard 210

Warlock (Singing Spear/Destructor) 5x 190
Spiritseer w Spear 1x 34

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Wraithguard x10 350
-Warlock (Spritseer, enhance) 46

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152

Dire Avengers x10 (exarch, 2x shrunken, bladestorm) 152

Wraithlord (BL, EML) 155

Wraithlord (BL, EML) 155

Wraithlord (BL, EMl ) 155

Total 1995

That looks better than mine

Thanks for your help....I'm going to buy a Wraithguard, and paint it, see if i can make them look half decent, and i might try this army out....

Im not sure how killy it will be - at least it will be fun to play and look cool. I always wanted to play a WG heavy army.

Eldrad will be safe with those warlocks and you'll basically only be casting fortune on your WG and WL unless you need to guide an important shot.

The Warlock Squad itself will be just as hard to kill as the WG so feel free to put them in front if you are going to get horded and blast them with 5 heavy flamers. Make sure your Wraith Lords are targeting vehicles all game. Anything with speed against you must die!

Also beware - New Dark Eldar Codex is out soon and their basic wepon has str x and wounds on a 4+...Stinks for WL AND WG.

You need your WG to be moving and shooting freely. This said, you need a unit that can bail them out if they ever get stuck in CC. Hariles have done the job for me every time, and they are also a super fluffy unit.

The Avatar is never a waste in a WG/WL list. That said, 2 full WG squads are simply too much, drop one since you already have 2 squads of DAs.

The WGs does need some kind of bail out unit tho and Harlies does this best. Maybe try and get some FDs into the list for some serious tank poping.

Two full WG units are fine for a themed army like this, and if you have those two units, you don't need FD to help with the tank popping. Do consider getting harlies though

Two full units of WG are overkill. One unit is fine and should for the anchor of your army.
But what you need are fire-support and counter-strike units (Harlies, Avatar).
An Avatar is not a waste in such an army, he's a must-have,
especially if you field DA or Guardians on foot as they can walk in his fearless bubble.

Should i try and go all foot sloggin? or do you think Eldar can work with 2/3 vehicles and rest on foot?

Harlies do seem like a good option....When people have used them in game with a shadowseer, do you find that they manage to get a long way across the board without being shot at too much?

1 Wraithguard squad possibly would be better (and cheaper ), But them it seems a bit more random in a way, and then it would be easier to say, oh the Wraithguard aren't doing enough, take them out.... :S
(but this is why i want to make lists before i buy anything, i have played Eldar before, although mainly Jetseers......I want to have 1500-2500 point army, that i maybe build up a bit slower than i have done before, so i can actually paint it, rather than just have a grey 1500 point army infront of me, and not really get any inspiration to paint it....)

Thanks for all your help so far everyone

If you wanna keep a both a mech element and a foot slogging element I think I would go with something like this.

HQ:
Eldrad = 210
Avatar = 155

Troops:
9xDA (Exarch+Bladestorm+Dual) = 140
Serpent (EML+Stones) = 130

9xDA (Exarch+Bladestorm+Dual) = 140
Serpent (EML+Stones) = 130

10xWG (Spiritseer+Spear+Conceal/Enhance) = 399

Heavy:
WL (EML+BL) = 155

WL (EML+BL) = 155

Elites:
5xFDs = 80
Serpent (Cannons+Stones) = 110

8xHarlies (5xKisses+Shadow Seer) = 194

Well, before you go into this too much, be aware that this is a very fluffy build. There's nothing wrong with that, and it can be a ton of fun to play, as well as paint and develop a whole theme for. But, don't expect to win against any of the current top-tier armies. If your FLGS has lots of fluffy, themed armies, you'll fit right in! If, they're very competitive and run the latest armies, fully mech, etc, then you'll loose most of your games. So, be honest with yourself, and if you're a WAAC gamer, don't do this or you'll just be disapointed.

But, assuming you're a FAAC gamer (Fun at all costs!), then lets get down to making an Iyanden army!

Eldrad: Good choice! But, Eldrad is Ulthwe... So, name him something else and say he "counts-as" Eldrad.

Avatar: I've seen a lot of nay-sayers advocating dropping him. I completely disagree. The Avatar is one of the strongest choices in the Eldar army, and if there was a transport for him, I'd always suggest taking him in mechdar. Since you're not mechdar, USE HIM! He's awesome in CC and with a guide tossed on him, he's almost unkillable! (3++ re-rollable FTW!) He is your answer for any CC unit your opponent tries to throw at the Wraithguard to slow them down. He also adds another big scary unit that compliments your Wraithlords. Your opponent won't know where to concentrate fire first!

Wraithguard: The crux of your army and taking 2 full squads defines you as Iyanden. Reduce them to 1 squad if you have to, but I like having 2.

Bladestorm Avengers: A solid choice! However, for your list, I'd actually recommend dropping these to a 5-man squads with no exarch. The forward positions will be a heavy fight where you claim an objective and dare your opponent to try and force off your Wraiths. You'll have survivability on your side and should be able to hold at least 1 objective so strongly, your opponent can't do anything about it. For you, I'd say the DA squads works best in reserve, swooping in at the very end of the game to cap an objective. You can't really use their maneuvering to your advantage, as you don't have enough mech to support them, so I'd just use them as a scoring WS upgrade. I wouldn't drop them entirely, as you'll need a fast troop to take a poorly defended objective, but they aren't going to need much firepower.

Wraithlord: These and the Wraithguard are what your army is all about. Try and take a 3rd!

Thanks Grakmar, do you think Harlies fit in a Iyanden theme?

rodgers37 wrote:Thanks Grakmar, do you think Harlies fit in a Iyanden theme?

In terms of fluff, just about any unit can be seen in Inyanden. It's just that it should be mostly Wraithguard and Wraithlords. Don't go overboard on anything else, and you'll fit the fluff just fine.

In terms of playability, I wouldn't vote for Harlies. Harlies work best as a vanguard, just in front of your main force. That way, your opponent either shoots them and has the chance of not seeing them, or shooting everyone behind them, in which case they grant cover saves. But, since your army is all high-toughness with 3+ saves, you don't need that cover save nearly as much.

Of course, if your opponent is prepared for dealing with tons of MC, then you'll be cursing me and wanting Harlies.

Speed and Mech will destroy this theme no doubt. Really though you will thoroughly destroy anything that has to get close to you. 6 flamers on WL 5 H Flamers on Warlocks. You should probably taunt your enemy all game to try to get him to assault you.

WG really aren't a viable unit choice though. 12 inch range guns are pretty hard to shoot more than once in a game. If they were 24 inch range im pretty sure every eldar army would have at least 1 squad in some capacity. They are effectively tough fire dragoons with slightly better guns that cost more than double. Really no competitive reason to take them.

Grakmar has got it all right.

Except for the harlie comment, they should not be used simply to grant a CoverSave for the WGs.They are used to bail out the WG so that they dont get boged down by som crappy tactical squad or similar.

tedurur wrote:Except for the harlie comment, they should not be used simply to grant a CoverSave for the WGs.They are used to bail out the WG so that they dont get boged down by som crappy tactical squad or similar.

But that's what the Avatar is for! Plus, if all you want out of an elite squad is to bail someone out in CC, I'd recommend Scorpions or Banshees over Harlies.

I like your army its gonna be stupid expensive monitarily because I believe per model WG are like $15 so your looking at about a 500-600 dollar army list here including codex, templates, paint supplies, dice, and modeling supplies.

Won't be as expensive as going for a competitive mech guard army

True I'm currently going for semi-competative mixed. Gonna exploit ebay to the fullest. which I would suggest you do. I saw a unit of 6 WG and a warlock w/singing spear goign for $30 yesterday. Thats like a 1/3 of the price.

Grakmar wrote:

tedurur wrote:Except for the harlie comment, they should not be used simply to grant a CoverSave for the WGs.They are used to bail out the WG so that they dont get boged down by som crappy tactical squad or similar.

But that's what the Avatar is for! Plus, if all you want out of an elite squad is to bail someone out in CC, I'd recommend Scorpions or Banshees over Harlies.

Scorpions are slow and crappy, Banshees while good in CC will get eaten by all the small arms fire flying all over the place. Harlies will not get shot to pieces. An Avatar is nice but with only 4 attacks there is just so much he can do.

tedurur wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

tedurur wrote:Except for the harlie comment, they should not be used simply to grant a CoverSave for the WGs.They are used to bail out the WG so that they dont get boged down by som crappy tactical squad or similar.

But that's what the Avatar is for! Plus, if all you want out of an elite squad is to bail someone out in CC, I'd recommend Scorpions or Banshees over Harlies.

Scorpions are slow and crappy, Banshees while good in CC will get eaten by all the small arms fire flying all over the place. Harlies will not get shot to pieces. An Avatar is nice but with only 4 attacks there is just so much he can do.

Scorpions are slow, but so are the Wraithguard they're backing up. And, the Avatar's 4 attacks (5 on charge) is actually really solid, especially at Str6 ignoring armor saves. He's easily enough to swing a CC that has got the Wraithguard stuck so that they can definitively win and wipe their opponenet out, either through No Retreat or through Leadership fail.

An Avatar will kill less than 3 Boyz when he charge. Sure the Avatar can be useful when dealing with low count elite infantry or a single MC but he will be unable to do something of meaning vs a blob of gaunts/boyz ect. Harlies can handle that alot better.

The problem with scorpions is that they can be shot to pieces aswell, T3 +3 will die fast when they are the only thing one can shoot at...banshees/scorpions must have a transport in order to survive, Harlies does not