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What has happened to the poor servants of Slaanesh?

The Keeper of Secrets is so weird it breaks the weird-gak-o-meter. All the Greater Daemons are in need of new models, but the Keeper of Secrets.....OOH!

The 3rd edition Daemonettes were good. They looked like Daemons of excess and desie without invoking reactions of 'WHOA!"but the new Daemonettes just look silly.

The Fiend of Slaanesh has FREAKING BACKWARDS DUCK'S LEGS. If you ask me, they should have taken a more spidery appearence.

What do you think the new Daemons of the Prince of Excess should look like?

I agree on the current daemonettes. The current models look less like daughters of the prince of excess, hedonism, and perfection, and more like what would happen if a DnD hag had a baby with papa nurgle.

Fiends could look more dynamic, the keeper could have smaller hands, and the monettes could be more shapely, but dont detract from the wierdness and depravity please.

Yeah agreed the Daemons of Slaanesh don't really match their lore or what you'd think they would be. Maybe they can't get away with something more risque. I think they'd work best as 'almost' humans with subtle perverse differences. Small variations on the human form are always more creepy than large ones.

I think the Lord of Change is still a nice model though, the other two Greater Daemons less so.

The new plastic Daemons seem like a throwback to the first daemon models imo. However the faces on those Daemonettes just makes me scream in terror (and not the good way). The Masque is pretty good, but otherwise we could use a bit of an update (which is not likely to happen soon, given that the Seekers were relatively recently released). Personally the Steeds of Slaanesh looks good, but that's about it.

Trilobite wrote:Fiends could look more dynamic, the keeper could have smaller hands, and the monettes could be more shapely, but dont detract from the wierdness and depravity please.

Weirdness and depravity is fine, ugliness is not. Really, the only Slaanesh daemons that looked properly Slaanesh-y to me were the ones released during 3rd edition: Diaz's Daemonettes and Seekers, and the boobworm.

One thing I don't understand is how they couldn't make them too risque....and then release Witch Elves and Harpies?

One thing that would be nice is a new face.

The current Daemonette face looks like it was hammered in by a 2x4.

I miss the keeper of sexrets cow head..

AlexHolker wrote:

Trilobite wrote:Fiends could look more dynamic, the keeper could have smaller hands, and the monettes could be more shapely, but dont detract from the wierdness and depravity please.

Weirdness and depravity is fine, ugliness is not. Really, the only Slaanesh daemons that looked properly Slaanesh-y to me were the ones released during 3rd edition: Diaz's Daemonettes and Seekers, and the boobworm.

Pretty sure the Slaanesh daemons are meant to display the superficially attractive side of the prince of excess as well as the uglier more repellent side. So unless you meant that the sculpting itself is bad, in which case I disagree, then Im not sure what your problem is. I just don't think they were aiming for maximum T&A all the time with them, which makes sense to me.

Trilobite wrote:Pretty sure the Slaanesh daemons are meant to display the superficially attractive side of the prince of excess as well as the uglier more repellent side. So unless you meant that the sculpting itself is bad, in which case I disagree, then Im not sure what your problem is. I just don't think they were aiming for maximum T&A all the time with them, which makes sense to me.

Quoted for Salience.

People have this strange idea that Slaanesh is supposed to be pretty, rather than weird and disturbingly alluring.

Trilobite wrote:Pretty sure the Slaanesh daemons are meant to display the superficially attractive side of the prince of excess as well as the uglier more repellent side.

Then why aren't Slaanesh daemons superficially attractive? Their ugliness should show itself in their monstrous personalities, or in their fundamental wrongness, not by having faces like these. They should look like the in-universe response to seeing one would be a sudden desire for a long, cold shower, not a declaration that they'd lose a beauty contest to a cross-dressing Ork.

Well true

Slaneesh have to brainwash people to attract it's cult, if they want them to think that is beauty

even taking that the slaneesh daemon should be Attractive and repulsive, there's nothing attractive on that model
it's all repulsive

Slannesh is hard to put into miniture form. After all the KOS actually looks different to all who look at it. It takes the form which each individual aspires to have.

I personally think it requires a very skilled painter to make the new plastics look good. But they can look good.

Myself, I'm happy with my 20 metal ones and will never trade them in. They may not represent Slannesh perfectly, but nothing wrong with pretty models on the table in the first place.

Nurglitch wrote:

Trilobite wrote:Pretty sure the Slaanesh daemons are meant to display the superficially attractive side of the prince of excess as well as the uglier more repellent side. So unless you meant that the sculpting itself is bad, in which case I disagree, then Im not sure what your problem is. I just don't think they were aiming for maximum T&A all the time with them, which makes sense to me.

Quoted for Salience.

People have this strange idea that Slaanesh is supposed to be pretty, rather than weird and disturbingly alluring.

They're not disturbingly alluring. Not really even disturbing. Certainly not alluring.

Just ugly.

Slaanesh is repulsive. Their game rules represent their superficial attractiveness to the enemy.

Slaanesh is the god(dess) of lust, pleasure, hedonism, perfectionism, and excess. Revulsion isn't anywhere in there...

The governor enjoying far too much of his/her fine foods, the handsome/beautiful dancer tempting men to depravity, the artist obsessed with perfecting their work, the soldier making too many visits to a brothel, and so on are the domain of Slaanesh.

If you are fighting (not falling for their charm) with Slaaneshi daemons do you not see their true forms? Twisted mockeries of beauty, more horrifying than words can describe.

Read Codex: Chaos Daemons.

"In appearance the Daemonettes are both beautiful and repulsive. They have slender clean-limbed bodies with pale, smooth skin, and an androgynous charm that is heightened by the scent of the musk that glistens from their sleek bodies. Instead of hands, the Daemonettes have long, dextrous claws, with which they can bestow the gentlest caress or a deadly slash with equal skill. They have bird-like feet, and move swiftly with languid strides of their long legs. Their faces are genderless masks, dominated by opal eyes that bewitch any who look into them. Their true appearance matters little, however, because they are surrounded by the bewitching aura of their Master. This supernatural power makes them always appear as the ultimate beauty and object of desire in the eyes of their unfortunate enemies, regardless of their race, gender or morality." Daemonettes, Daemonic Forces, Codex: Chaos Daemons, p.33.

Slaanesh is corruption, perversion, subversion, and lies. That's why Its Greater Daemons are the Keepers of Secrets ("There is nothing so loathsome yet beguiling as a Keeper of Secrets" Keepers of Secrets, Daemonic Forces, Codex: Chaos Daemons, p.29) and not something else.

Slaanesh has six domains: Avidity, Gluttony, Carnality, Paramountcy, Vainglory, Indolency. In each one desire is corrupted, perverted, subverted, or otherwise warped into its foul reflection. If you want wealth, the daemons of Avidity will devour your soul. If you are hungry, you will burst from gluttony, if you are lustful, then daemons will you apart, and so on.

Lust is neutral to Slaanesh, but lust that drives one to deviancy, that's driven by warped desire, or unnatural taste, then Slaanesh is there waiting for you...

Yes, and they've failed to capture that feeling of Slaanesh in these miniatures.

One side of slaanesh might not be represented well in some of the figs. The way I see it is that when you get in real close with slaanesh's physical manifestations, the veneer of glamour and beauty is torn back and you see the truely abhorrent and disfigured forms beneath that mask. Look at figures like the newer daemonettes as more the result of constantly indulging in the 6 "domains" highlighted by nurglitch above. Rather than being truely beautiful and perfect beings, they are mockeries and twisted versions of that characteristic. The Masque is another fig that pulls that off nicely.

Personally I kinda like the current Keeper of secrets. The only bad thing about it is the gigantic hands (which, given the era it's made in, is forgivable since it isnt an actual design flaw but due to the improvements in miniature quality). The two faces are really good and suits the character.

In particular the Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets was really well done. From a distance it appears to be a slender and attractive woman. it's only when you look close up that all of the horrors and scary bits become apparent.

The Daemonettes' faces look strangely skeletal and somewhat manly, which is partly due to their hair. Some of them look like they had a bad hair cut and the faces no longer had the semblance of pleasure on them. They all look jaded and worn out.

I always thought the new monettes looks pretty dynamic with all the hair flicked everywhere. As for the faces, I thought that the way they were sculpted was to reinforce their being androgynous, therefore nothing overly female or male, making the face's features seem a little minimalistic.
Totally with you on the keeper. I would:
Make the sword less goddamn huge,
Scale down the cartoony hands,
Scale up the utterly tiny hooves.

I think it's mainly due to the foreheads. Proportionally it's correct, but it looks like their foreheads look huge...I would like it more if they had a few strains of hair over it.

Nurglitch wrote:"In appearance the Daemonettes are both beautiful and repulsive. They have slender clean-limbed bodies with pale, smooth skin, and an androgynous charm that is heightened by the scent of the musk that glistens from their sleek bodies.

There is no beauty in the new models, and no "androgynous charm". They went the exact opposite route, making them ugly by male and female standards.

Their true appearance matters little, however, because they are surrounded by the bewitching aura of their Master. This supernatural power makes them always appear as the ultimate beauty and object of desire in the eyes of their unfortunate enemies, regardless of their race, gender or morality."

A cop-out. It's like they made the new models, realised how ugly they were, then realised they needed to modify an old piece of fluff to excuse their failure.

Trilobite wrote:I always thought the new monettes looks pretty dynamic with all the hair flicked everywhere.

Hair flicked everywhere does not a dynamic miniature make, if the rest of the miniature doesn't back that movement up.

Melissia:

Your opinion. My opinion is that they've done an excellent job.

Alexholker:

I think they have plenty of androgynous charm. If anything the new models better match the old background. I could quote Slaves to Darkness if it would make you feel better.

No gak, really? I thought what I said was pure fact, and not just opinion. How dare you refute this fact that my facts are factual.

Sarcasm aside, the previous models looked far more disturbingly alluring.

Melissia:

You phrased it as fact, not opinion. If you want to express an opinion, say "I think" or "It seems to me". If you want to express a fact, simply state the fact. For example:

Melissia wrote:Sarcasm aside, I think the previous models looked far more disturbingly alluring.

This is because one's unique and beautiful opinion is uncontestable, while one's weak and feeble grasp of the facts may be cause for argument.

I don't desire to, nor need to, state "in my opinion" in every post I make. THis is the internet people, this is a forum on the internet. Common sense, such as it is, dictates that posts made on Dakka-Dakka are opinions. The only exception to this are those with citations.

Wrong again, and as usual so much for common sense. Some posts on Dakka Dakka reflect facts. For example, when someone asks a question about rules and someone provides the right answer, that answer is right regardless of whether it can be checked with citation. Citation is a courtesy, much like saying "I think" and "It's my opinion that", to help readers distinguish fact from opinion.