Slaanesh Daemons.....Time for a makeover?

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**ShadowZetki**

Umm now looking at the current models I'd say they need new Daemonettes, it just feels like they dont capture the feeling of slaanesh as well as they should a mix of beauty and horror I fail to see, just an ugly bunch of models I wouldnt pay for.

**marxlives**

Well last time I checked Slaanesh is androgynous so I cant figure out why the daemonettes are predominately female if not for the sole reason of taking advantage of a predominately male market. Which is insulting to me cause whenever I see a bunch of female models as either representative of being hedonistic (Slaanesh) or dominatrix (SoBs) then I kinda of find it a little insulting. In that GW doesnt see its customer base as suave males who have hit the gym, have a career, a girlfriend, and a child, such as myself. Nope they see thier customer base as a bunch of lonely guys who will buy something purely on the bases that it is an enticing 28 mm female, give me a break. What is this the 1960's heyday of DnD? Overall I dont see the fluff matching with the models. Where are the female IGs, or male Demonettes, and why the hell do SOB's need cup sizes for thier armor? Ya I can imagine Joan of Arc telling the local blacksmith, "Hey your going to have to reforge this, its cup size is too small". Even in modern day sports women wear bras that actually suppress thier breast size to help enhance thier manuaverability on the field, even the gals in our modern day armies do so, so why is this different in 40k. I guess what I'm saying is that for the models to match the fluff we need an entire industry shift on how miniature gaming views its predominately (and why is it predominately) male market. Basically they need to start adhering to fluff and stop thier bias that the people who play thier games are girl hating, loners, with a secret desire to be loved. Out of all the people I have meet and forged friendships with at my LGS I can't find one who fulfills that stereotype. Yes we are usually men, who are successful in our careers (after all we can afford the outrageous prices for the crap), outgoing, yes we can and do see real naked women and dont really care for 28mm fantasies, who would like to see the hobby become more female friendly for the simple fact that we appreciate a mental struggle of the minds that can occur in a minature war game because chess was just too damn easy.

The argument that women just do not like strategy games is a null argument because micromanagement games are infamously popular with female gamers in the video game market. And dispite the stereotypes wargaming is a social game experience and some of my best friendships where made at my LGS. Rather it is an overall misogynistic aesthetic determined by how the miniature industry views its audience that limits its appeal and causes a disjunction between the fluff and the models.

**LunaHound**

marxlives , im not too good with GW fluff , but if im not mistaken the androgynous property on Slaanesh "god" doesnt necessarily apply on the Daemonettes.

Besides , artist design wise i ( maybe GW aswell ) would love to hear a suggestion to what would make a good visual "trait" to represent slaanesh ( Ecstasy , Pleasure , Lust , Pride , Self Indulgence )

**Eumerin**

I think the thing that bugs me most about the current daemonettes (and there's a lot about them that I don't like) is that they've got enough wrinkles for a 60-year old. Getting rid of the wrinkles and fleshing out their faces a bit would probably go a long way toward fixing their issues. These are daemonettes, not vampires or liches. In fact, if you painted them up properly you could probably pass them off as a Tomb King's harem, "fresh" out of the pyramid...

Having said that, I also think that these are the worst daemonettes that GW has ever released. Even the bald daemonettes from the RoC: Slaves to Darkness era looked better than the ones we have now.

As for the fiends...

The only daemon miniatures that I've ever owned were two fiend models from back in the RoC: Slaves to Darkness era. They looked sleek, lithe, exotic, and disturbing all rolled into one. The current fiend, in a word, isn't.

Scary faces, claws, and the like are more daemonic than what the old ones were packing.

The previous daemonettes had claws. I never owned any and never took a close enough look at them to determine whether or not they had "scary faces". But they did have claws.

I liked the old minotaur Keeper of Secrets, but I can appreciate that it probably wasn't the way that the KoS should look. I'm not quite sure what to make of the current version. I don't dislike it, but I'm not sure whether it fits or not.

**Squigsquasher**

The minotaur Keeper of Secrets is the current model. It comes with two heads-the Chaos Cow head and the 6-horned Squidhead.

Unless you were looking at the Forge World version (which is awesome!)

I must admit, if I were assembling a Keeper of Secrets, I would give it the 6-horned Squidhead. It looked slightly more humanoid than the Chaos Cow head, which just looked slightly bewildered.

**Eumerin**

Squigsquasher wrote:The minotaur Keeper of Secrets is the current model. It comes with two heads-the Chaos Cow head and the 6-horned Squidhead.

No, they've changed the body as well. The previous one looked exactly like a hermaphroditic minotaur. The body was bulky and stocky, and the only things that told you that you weren't looking at a minotaur body were the single breast and the two extra arms with crab claws. The current one has a different body that's much thinner - almost cadaverous at points. And the non-clawed hands look misshapen and monstrous. IIRC, the previous version had more or less normal hands on those arms.

And yes, the Forgeworld KoS is pretty good.

**Squigsquasher**

I see. Actually sounds better than the current one.....Although I don't really dig the whole minotaur thing.

Must....Keep.....Useless.....Thread...Afloat...

**Squigsquasher**

Seem to be failling to breath life into this dead (and useless) thread.

Must keep trying....GODS, DO NOT FORSAKE THIS THREAD!

**MechaEmperor7000**

It seems prettymuch agreed (although not unanimous) that people want an update to the Slaanesh Range. Daemonettes were suppose to be alluring until you got to their freakishly clawed hands and they were with the 3rd ed Metal Models. 4/5th ed ones made them go in the completely opposite direction and the fact that the butt ugly Greater Daemon models didnt get updated either didnt help the cause.

**Terminus**

marxlives wrote:wall of text

You just described yourself as suave. What a tool.

**Mukkin'About**

Simply put, I wish the daemonettes looked more like the artwork than they do now. If you're that worried about bewbage then but a bra on, or stick with the corset thing!!

**LunaHound**

Or even simpler , just file down the nipples , same concept as the Bloodletters are naked down there yet its ok.

**Nurglitch**

Enormous phallic swords notwithstanding...

But seriously, whenever anyone reads this thread's title, do they imagine a flock of Daemonettes at the salon in curlers and housecoats getting their claws lacquered and hair extensions put in?

**Squigsquasher**

That sounds quite amusing...

And as for the Bloodletters, well, I wouldn't say the swords are phallic....What I would say is that they have rather large lunchbags.....Ahem...

Ammo pouches aside, the Bloodletters are awesome.

**Laughing God**

marxlives wrote: Out of all the people I have meet and forged friendships with at my LGS I can't find one who fulfills that stereotype. Yes we are usually men, who are successful in our careers (after all we can afford the outrageous prices for the crap), outgoing, yes we can and do see real naked women and dont really care for 28mm fantasies, who would like to see the hobby become more female friendly for the simple fact that we appreciate a mental struggle of the minds that can occur in a minature war game because chess was just too damn easy.

WALL O' TEXT! I don’t know what kind of civilized gentlemen’s league you game at... But most gaming stores I’ve been to are full of socially inept young males with poor hygiene habits and are most likely virgins. And most of them have prolly never played chess...

I don’t think this game is misogynistic or sexist as you claim but really just trying to make money. GWs predominant buyers (^) want women with sex appeal, not Bertha the warrior woman. lol Now is that unfluffy? No most sisters of battle and women are depicted and described as shapely and attractive in the 41st millennium so it sticks to fluff. Now is that realistic? No way in hell. Not even female gamers would want to play with ugly scared up flat chested females in miniature version as they see the models the table as a reflection of themselves, just as males don’t want to field ugly, flabby, whimps as an army. Human nature friend...

Now back to point. I’m scared with the new PG direction GW is going with everything that Slaanesh models of any kind will be getting dumbed down. Losing the true spirit of Slaanesh. Makes me weep inside. All the EC references to drugs, sex, and excess in the new children’s version of 40k just aren’t going to fly, so as sad as it is expect GW to ruin every reason why we play Slaanesh themed armies...

**MechaEmperor7000**

Slaanesh is suppose to be about lust, deprivaty and debauchery. Suddenly becoming kid friendly feels like they just suck the soul out of the soul-sucker.

**asimo77**

I would think its more childish to go "BAWWWWW WE WANTZ BEWBZ BACK!!!" than just making do with the new daemonettes.

The message still gets across well enough: they're androgynous, shapley, wear corsets, have claws, and so on.

Aside from the face, which has people upset, they still look more or less like demonic succubi.

**AlexHolker**

asimo77 wrote:I would think its more childish to go "BAWWWWW WE WANTZ BEWBZ BACK!!!" than just making do with the new daemonettes.

Only in your mind is giving a damn about quality a childish attribute. The 3rd edition daemons were actually decent models, and the new ugly daemonettes and static horrors are not acceptable replacements.

The message still gets across well enough: they're androgonous (sp?),

You use that word, but I think you don't know what it means. If someone has androgynous looks, this means they could pass as either a woman or a man at first glance. The new daemonettes can do neither, simply being ugly.

Aside from the face, which has people upset, they still look more or less like demonic succubi.

The faces are the most important part of the model. And they don't look like succubi, because they lack the most important attribute of a succubi, as they look like they couldn't seduce their way out of a wet paper bag.

**asimo77**

Yikes, thar be a touchy subject for ya I see! YARRR!

That was a pirate.

"Only in your mind is giving a damn about quality a childish attribute"
Well as far as I can tell the only thing that was more seductive about the old ones were that they had breasts. Are their fish faces really anymore cute than the new ones? In other words if breasts=quality then I'd say that's a little silly.

When I said androgyny, I was getting at the fact that they have a breast on one side and the other torso-half is male looking. Sorry for being so loose with my language Mr. Webster.

As for the faces, they're creepy/scary/repulsive/and whatever else we've thrown out in this thread and I'm fine with that.

Finally to quote Jackson Browne "Take it easy"

**AlexHolker**

asimo77 wrote:Finally to quote Jackson Browne "Take it easy"

If you want me to take it easy, don't insult me and then pretend you have the moral high ground.

**asimo77**

When did I do that? I don't think there's any ground, high or low, to take in a discussion on the attractiveness of plastic daemons. But...

"Only in your mind is giving a damn about quality a childish attribute"

"You use that word, but I think you don't know what it means"

thems fightan words son

All I meant by "Take it easy" is that there's no reason to get riled up over a WH forum, I didn't think it was really that insulting, sorry if it was.

**Laughing God**

FLAME WAR!!!.... stop it.

**asimo77**

^It's a good thing He'Stan is a poker buddy of mine then!

All kidding aside I apologize AlexHolker

**Squigsquasher**

Actually, the fish-faces were MUCH more cute than the current ones. For one thing, they were smiling, and had big, cute eyes. For another thing, they had needle-horn hair, which was a lot more Daemonic than the friggin' mohicans you get on the current, vastly inferior models. And, if I'm honest, the models really do need to be topless, being creatures of excess and debauchery. Whereas I struggle to even find the breasts on the new ones.

But maybe we should stop arguing and actually discuss what we think the next range of Slaaneshi Daemons should look like?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Most of my ire stems from the goth-punk hag-like head of the new ones. The body can stay, but they should redo the head to be more like the 3rd ed ones. They should leave one breast uncovered too, as that is the symbol of Slaanesh. What they do with the other one, I really dont care. The exaggerated sexuality of the things was what made them awesome. Remember the 6 boobed snake-horse? That is still one of my favourite models.

**BluntmanDC**

Terminus wrote:
marxlives wrote:wall of text

You just described yourself as suave. What a tool.

Totally agree, he also forgets that the word daemonette is feminine for daemon, that is why they are 'female'.

Laughing God wrote:Not even female gamers would want to play with ugly scared up flat chested females in miniature version as they see the models the table as a reflection of themselves, just as males don’t want to field ugly, flabby, wimps as an army. Human nature friend...

Now back to point. I’m scared with the new PG direction GW is going with everything that Slaanesh models of any kind will be getting dumbed down. Losing the true spirit of Slaanesh. Makes me weep inside. All the EC references to drugs, sex, and excess in the new children’s version of 40k just aren’t going to fly, so as sad as it is expect GW to ruin every reason why we play Slaanesh themed armies...

I totally agree with both these points.

All i have to say on the topic is that the last metal deamonettes were near perfect, why did GW ruin it?, they were perfectly modeled.

**Brother Heinrich**

Don't fix what isn't broke, this had to be one of GW's biggest fails in my opinion, just last night I was discussing this with Laughing God (dakka user) and saying what a morally twisted game we play, where GW chaos models come with the option to mount spikes with severed heads on everything, yet bare breasts are viewed as too graphic.....WHAT!?

In essence GW is saying that the picture below, is too graphic for the younger players

But that the next image is A-okay for little Timmy and his friends? I though America had warped morals!

**BluntmanDC**

Its the same old thing, films like saw and hostel get a world release but if a film has realistic sex in it or full nudity it is banned. doesn't make sense.

**Brother Heinrich**

Exactly, never made sense to me. The only time I've seen fair representation of both sides was when I was in Italy in 2006, I discovered that the tv had both porn and action movies on public access. Needless to say, this was such a novelty to my close-minded American consciousness that I almost had a seizure from an overload of common sense.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Ever watch that South Park episode "Good Times with Weapons"? Sexual sensitivity was parodied HARD there.