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Say my IC with a jump pack is at the back of a tactical squad. I move the squad forward 6". I then jump over the squad with the IC. I find that the IC is within 2" of the leading marine, and thus is within squad coherency. The IC is considered to be joined to the squad.

Legal?

Does it work the other way around, with moving the IC first and then the squad to within 2" of the IC?

Jabbdo wrote:Say my IC with a jump pack is at the back of a tactical squad. I move the squad forward 6". I then jump over the squad with the IC. I find that the IC is within 2" of the leading marine, and thus is within squad coherency. The IC is considered to be joined to the squad.

Legal?

Does it work the other way around, with moving the IC first and then the squad to within 2" of the IC?

In short, No.

In Long, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

In extra Long, no, this has been hashed out before but I cannot find it now. it has to do with the fact that the squad cannot move to detach from the IC, the IC has to move to detach from the squad (the same to attach) Since the IC must have moved to detach, the squad cannot now move to attach itself again.

So in your example, either the entire squad moves 6" forward (and so the IC doesn't leave and is limited to 6" of movement), or the IC leaves and can move 12", but the unit now cannot move to within 2" and attach itself, since the IC is the one who must move to attach.

If you don't want the IC to join the squad, he must remain more then 2" away.

A squad can never join an IC, the IC must join the squad.

If he is part of the unit, he can move 6"--the speed of the slowest model in the unit.

If he is not part of the unit (until after he moves) that would be fine.

If I read that correctly.

If the IC starts within 2" of a unit then he is automatically attached to the unit. As such the unit as a whole can only move as fast as its slowest member. Therefore in your example the IC can only move 6" (assuming a normal tac squad). Or you can detach the IC during the movement phase and allow him to move his normal move speed. However I would not allow him then to reattach to the same unit since he already declared that he was leaving the unit. Aside from the last line all of this can be found on p48 of the BRB.

That was my thinking too, but was trying to see if there was some kind of loophole. Thanks for a speedy response!

Actually, unless I recall incorrectly, the rules state that the IC can't move within 2" of the squad without joining it.
They don't say the squad can't move within 2 ". They don't say he can't BE within 2". Just that he cannot MOVE within 2". So, if he moves first, then the squad moves in behind, they're fine, provided the IC wasn't within 2" when HE completed HIS movement.

I would appreciate a page # or GAMES WORKSHOP FAQ reference from anyone disagreeing, so that I can research your response. Without the page # or OFFICIAL FAQ reference, I will disregard your post as mere opinion.
Thanks.


Eric

Page 47 of the main rules.

"If a character does not intend to (or cannot) join a unit, it must remain more than 2" away from it at the end of the Movement phase."

Other than that line, the movement refers to the IC's. However, that line taken as a rule would prevent the squad from being within 2" even using its own movement.

kirsanth wrote:Page 47 of the main rules.

"If a character does not intend to (or cannot) join a unit, it must remain more than 2" away from it at the end of the Movement phase."

Other than that line, the movement refers to the IC's. However, that line taken as a rule would prevent the squad from being within 2" even using its own movement.

So, what happens if an IC does end up closer than 2" away? Imagine the following scenario:

1) During movement, a unit moves next to an IC (a legal move)
2) The IC is not allowed to join the unit (say, it's a Phoenix Lord and the squad is a different aspect)
3) The IC tries to move away, but has to make a difficult terrain test and can only move 1", leaving him within 2"
4) You now have a unit and an IC within 2" that cannot join. The movement phase ends, and this is illegal.

So, what happens? All moves were legal at the time they were made, but you've been left in an illegal situation. Are you required to re-move a unit to get 2" away, or does the game break?

Move the frikkin' IC first. Problem solved.

Grakmar wrote:So, what happens if an IC does end up closer than 2" away? Imagine the following scenario:

1) During movement, a unit moves next to an IC (a legal move)
2) The IC is not allowed to join the unit (say, it's a Phoenix Lord and the squad is a different aspect)
3) The IC tries to move away, but has to make a difficult terrain test and can only move 1", leaving him within 2"
4) You now have a unit and an IC within 2" that cannot join. The movement phase ends, and this is illegal.

So, what happens? All moves were legal at the time they were made, but you've been left in an illegal situation. Are you required to re-move a unit to get 2" away, or does the game break?

The game breaks. There is no rule allowing you to go back an re-move the squad... it's explicitly forbidden by the movement rules, in fact.

It's not particularly game breaking, though. The rule prohibiting you from leaving the IC within 2" of a unit he isn't joining is simply there to reduce confusion. You don't have to try to remember which characters are joined to which units... they're in coherency, so they're joined. So in the odd instance where you might wind up with a character illegally close to the unit (there would be very few situations where it could actually happen, and those aren't going to happen very often) just ignore it and carry on.