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Does this work for both assault and shooting? That is rerolling hits and wounds versus monstrous creatures T5 or greater.

It works when he 'allocates his attacks'... which is something that only happens in close combat. You don't allocate attacks when shooting, you just pick a target and shoot at it.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:Does this work for both assault and shooting? That is rerolling hits and wounds versus monstrous creatures T5 or greater.

Ulriks oath only works in Close Combat, because you can only allocate your attacks in close combat.

My friend who wants to use this says in shooting all attacks are allocated to the monstrous creature if it's the only target.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:My friend who wants to use this says in shooting all attacks are allocated to the monstrous creature if it's the only target.

Your friend is talking rubbish, to be frank.

BloodThirSTAR wrote:My friend who wants to use this says in shooting all attacks are allocated to the monstrous creature if it's the only target.

However your friend cannot show any rule to that effect, so it doesnt happen.

Well he said if Ulrick joins a squad of Long Fangs and split fire it's okay then. Pack leader shots pistol at a gaunt, all missile target Trygon or something big.

He still does not get to allocate wounds. You being forced to put them on the Trygon because the Trygon i sa 1 model unit and there is nowhere else for them to go is not the same as him getting to allocate them.

Functionally, it might work out to the same result but they are different processes.

I thought when you split fire that means you are allocating the attacks. Right?

BloodThirSTAR wrote:I thought when you split fire that means you are allocating the attacks. Right?

No, it means you are targeting two different units.

Allocating Attacks only happens in Close Combat. You don't make "attacks" anywhere else.

Also, the Pack Leader can't fire if you split fire.

Where is allocation defined in the rulebook?

It is on page 25 under complex units.

That is for wound allocation on your own complex unit though, right? Looks like some semantics.

It is more that you "allocate" attacks, and you "target" when shooting.

Allocate is not used at ALL when shooting, so it is not valid to say you are "allocating" shooting.

Missed the point of your question - allocation as nos said is for wounds. You target to decide whom you are shooting at.

I think its a stretch to say GW meant the same thing when using the word allocation as you are implying. It needs to be more specific to be used as such.

Not really - find an instance where you "allocate" shooting attacks. If you can, you have proven your point.

You cannot as this has been debated before, with the exact same result....

This rule has been debated already? A link would be appreciated.

This has been debated before but I will toss out the couple of pages in the BRB for you that are relevant,

pg xii: Model Profiles

A Attacks

pg xii: Weapon Profiles

...., the number of shots they fire......

pg 6: Attacks (A)

This characteristic indicates the the number of dice a model rolls when fighting in close combat.

pg 26: Type

Some weapons such as storm bolters and multi-lasers fire multiple shots.