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Hello ever bodyIim new to 40k and had a question
which is the cheapest ?( and i all ready know that space marines are going to be the most player friendly and the most accessible but i hate being the good guy and i dont care too much for them.

thx

The cheapest are Chaos Space Marines and Necrons, since for Orks you'll need to buy a huge number of models.

Depends on what you're going for. Orks taken as a horde army are gonna be expensive just cause you need to get All those models. Necrons are decent in price for the warriors but most everything else is metal and is gonna rack up a cost if you want to win.... As for Chaos Marines, again depends on what you want to focus on. Troop heavy? Gonna be abit more pricey then one that relies on a single model being extremely deadly.

Azure wrote:Depends on what you're going for. Orks taken as a horde army are gonna be expensive just cause you need to get All those models. Necrons are decent in price for the warriors but most everything else is metal and is gonna rack up a cost if you want to win....

Destroyers are plastic, the Monolith is plastic, and if you take up some hobbying, you can make some plastic immortals/heavy destroyers. Still, anything else is gonna cost you.

Azure wrote: As for Chaos Marines, again depends on what you want to focus on. Troop heavy? Gonna be abit more pricey then one that relies on a single model being extremely deadly.

Pretty much this.

Thank you for your replies ,what do you exactly mean a single model , how would you build an army like that?

Necroman wrote:

Azure wrote:Depends on what you're going for. Orks taken as a horde army are gonna be expensive just cause you need to get All those models. Necrons are decent in price for the warriors but most everything else is metal and is gonna rack up a cost if you want to win....

Destroyers are plastic, the Monolith is plastic, and if you take up some hobbying, you can make some plastic immortals/heavy destroyers. Still, anything else is gonna cost you.

That pretty much sums it up. Good part is you arent going to field large numbers of pariahs and wraiths. Immortals will be fairly common, especially if the rumors are true and the new codex makes them a troops choice. However converting them from warriors can save you a big of money.

I decided to go Necrons primarily for the ease of painting and low model numbers needed to field an army. Im dong Marines for my son because they are easy to learn...and what 7 year old doesnt think Space Marines are cool as all get out?

blood pie wrote:Thank you for your replies ,what do you exactly mean a single model , how would you build an army like that?

You put a lot of points into having a few ridiculously bad-ass models instead of lots of not as good models.Army wise. Not sure if it's cheaper but it usualy is.

Mad4Minis wrote:especially if the rumors are true and the new codex

not only are you basing a suggestion on the rumor of immortals being troops choices, but on a rumor of a rumor that necrons will actually get a new codex before the world ends in 2012.

pratell wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:especially if the rumors are true and the new codex

not only are you basing a suggestion on the rumor of immortals being troops choices, but on a rumor of a rumor that necrons will actually get a new codex before the world ends in 2012.

Nah 2012 is old news...its the 2013 solar flare storm thats gonna kill us.

HERETIC!

Show some love for the good ol' Imperium of Man! Sure, well mind wipe you afterward, but you'll never remember that daemon you had to fight the other day!


Nah, humanity is going to kill humanity.

Scientifically proven that we are a war hungry race that will bite at each others throats until we find something else to fight, the we go back and fight each other again!

I say Orks for once.

I have only seen 2 Ork armies and they are a horde army that is good in assault! So that is at least appealing to me.

I personally would go nids in that situation but that is just me.

Chaos Space Marines are many points that it's easy to build up a decent sized army with very few units.

Chaos Marines. They have multiple kinds of list builds that I think can do well, so you have lots of options to expand your army over time.

Look at a demon prince for a model that will cost a good amount of points, but will only cost you $33 for the model.

Cult troops in Rhinos are pretty decent, though the cost there can add up for models.

Be different. Be Orks! The amount of conversions you can do for Orks is astounding, and you can make sure your Orks and Ork vehicles look truly unique without losing the Orky flavor.

Melissia wrote: The amount of conversions you can do for Orks is astounding, and you can make sure your Orks and Ork vehicles look truly unique without losing the Orky flavor.

This is why I almost went with Orks. I love to do conversions. However the amount of models you need for an Ork army is not compatible with my available time and attention span, so I decided not to do them. I went Necrons instead.

I would say Orks, you don't have to do a horde army so you can avoid some cost right there. You could do a shooty army or a Mek army with alot of machines and such.

Though this dosen't affect price in terms of buying anything I think Necrons need their update before I would suggest them to anyone. Same goes for Chaos Space Marines because their current dex is a travisty.

Just as a quick side note: If you wanted absolute cheapest army, Orks may actually be it if you don't mind painting a Shed'load of models.

Assault on Black Reach Slugga Boyz: Cheap on Ebay
3x 3 Boxes of Killa Kanz - $120
Big Mek w/ KFF
Lootas - Find a way to convert them cheap!

What I did for lootas is buy the Deff guns and heads on ebay. The body and legs are just like the Ork boys.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Melissia wrote: The amount of conversions you can do for Orks is astounding, and you can make sure your Orks and Ork vehicles look truly unique without losing the Orky flavor.

This is why I almost went with Orks. I love to do conversions. However the amount of models you need for an Ork army is not compatible with my available time and attention span, so I decided not to do them. I went Necrons instead.

You can play an Ork army with four models.

Does eBay do Colombia , South america ? Checked out the demon prince very awesome how many points is it. I was thinking of getting one of the battle force packs, how are they? If i choose orks,I was thinking of getting the assault on battle black reach and keeping the orks and trading the marines for orks in my FLGS. Though the idea of lots of conversions might be a little difficult, i have no experience with converting and i am middle school student and do not have much time to convert and would rather be playing using that time but I'm willing to give it a shot .

blood pie wrote:Does eBay do Colombia , South america ? Checked out the demon prince very awesome how many points is it. I was thinking of getting one of the battle force packs, how are they? If i choose orks,I was thinking of getting the assault on battle black reach and keeping the orks and trading the marines for orks in my FLGS. Though the idea of lots of conversions might be a little difficult, i have no experience with converting and i am middle school student and do not have much time to convert and would rather be playing using that time but I'm willing to give it a shot .

Middle school? South America? This changes things. You will likely not have the time for Orks, and I'm not sure how easy eBay will be for you.

Necrons can build you up a 1500 point army for the least amount of money/time, but they're really not that good in 5th Edition.

Chaos Marines are easily your best bet. Demon Princes can run you around 150 - 200 points, depending on your build.

Cult Troops in Rhinos are pretty good, heck even basic Chaos Marines in a Rhino with 2x Melta Guns or 2x Flamers are good. Personally I'm tempted to do a Thousands Sons force, with some Mounted Thousand Sons units in Rhinos, some Tzeench Terminators in a Land Raider, and a Demon Prince to lead them. It would be a small model count army, but it could be pretty pricey with some of those options.

Your best bet is to look at the Codex at your local gaming store. Figure out what kind of army you would like to play (Decide on a points level with your friends first!), and then go from there.

Melissia wrote: You can play an Ork army with four models.

Is that the good ol 2 mek 2 deff dread list?

If I didn't love the number of ork boyz you can take and my KFF I would go with the 2 Warboss and 2 Nob unit build .

Fun, Fluffy, Cheap and Wound Allocation for everyone

Melissia wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Melissia wrote: The amount of conversions you can do for Orks is astounding, and you can make sure your Orks and Ork vehicles look truly unique without losing the Orky flavor.

This is why I almost went with Orks. I love to do conversions. However the amount of models you need for an Ork army is not compatible with my available time and attention span, so I decided not to do them. I went Necrons instead.

You can play an Ork army with four models.

LMAO...seriously? Sounds like recipe for defeat by weight of numbers. Not that I would, but what 4?

Sure, I just assembled my first unit of Necron warriors and you people tell me this. Ill have to look into a small Ork army as well, hell I already have a warboss mini I really like. Guess Ill be buying another codex...dammit.

Necrons can build you up a 1500 point army for the least amount of money/time, but they're really not that good in 5th Edition.

why, i really do not care so much about wining that much (sometimes),just about having fun. Are they really flawed or the rules broken ? Thats too bad if thats the case,if it is the case when is new codex coming out ?

blood pie wrote:

Necrons can build you up a 1500 point army for the least amount of money/time, but they're really not that good in 5th Edition.

why, i really do not care so much about wining that much (sometimes),just about having fun. Are they really flawed or the rules broken ? Thats too bad if thats the case,if it is the case when is new codex coming out ?

I just started a Necron army, havent played them yet. After reading the codex they dont seem to bad. Their stat line is nearly identical to a SM, lower I but higher Ld, same armor. They dont have some of the special rules of SM but they do get a chance to regenerate. They dont have a very diverse selection of units but they do pack a punch...even the basic gauss gun will damage a vehicle on a roll of 6. Warscythes dont allow any saving throws at all, even invulnerable saves and roll 2d6+strength for armor penetration.

The thing is they arent as tough as they used to be, but they arent terrible either...they are/were still better than DE until the new codex came out a little while ago. Im looking forward to the new Necron codex.

Thats what I would recommend before fully diving into any army...buy the codex and get a good feel for them, your gonna need it anyways, may as well make it your first purchase. may as well buy the current one, they are pretty cheap on ebay. The new one isnt due until next year, after Grey Knights...so I wouldnt expect it until at least mid year or later.

As someone who has actually played Necrons and isn't basing opinions off of how similar their stats are to other armies (no offense Mad4Minis) the Necrons are in need of an update. The fact that they have stats similar to Space Marines does not mean they will be as effective as Space Marines and comparing the stat line of one army to another isn't a good way of measuring how effective an army will be.

They can be used semi effectivly currently but they where created to be played with rules that are out of date and with a limited number of unit choice and they'll be used against armies that are updated and have access to a wider variety of units giving them a tactical advantage.

They're in the same boat as the Inquisition codices except the Inquisition books still have a lifeline in that they can ally with the SM and IG codices. Necrons can't do that, you can win with them but it won't be very often and you have to be used to using them and be a fairly experienced gamer.

I have a Necron army that I haven't played since 5th edition came out just because it is too much hassle so I'm waiting untill the new dex comes out (I think it is rumored to be in May or something, the Inquisition books are supposed to be Jan-Feb) and I would advise anyone who is just starting to do the same.

Yeah you can go ahead and start buying things like your Warriors, Lord ana Monolith and such as they will more then likely be in the next codex with rules that will make them better. But I woulden't depend on them to win you every game if that's what you're looking for.

Go with Necrons, easy to paint, good starting army to learn rules even if they are out of date. As long as you are not just wanting to win every game, best out of the three to start with.

Ill agree w what Warboss said. They were never very well fleshed out, but they have a good start. Im very much looking forward to the new codex, as the current one has hints of some very cool potential.

Ill be happy if it comes out in May, that will be about the time I actually have a decent force to use. Im starting with the core units, which will likely stay through the update. I have a Lord and 1 squad of warriors, hopefully a second in a few weeks or so. Then it will be immortals and a monolith.

Its going to be a slow army build until early next year anyways, with the holidays coming up and 2 kids in the house.

Also Im building a SM army for my son, so that bites into the Necrons build. Im trying to keep both armies in pace, alternating buying a unit for each.


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kharn wrote:Go with Necrons, easy to paint, good starting army to learn rules even if they are out of date. As long as you are not just wanting to win every game, best out of the three to start with.

Should clarify hings a bit here though...dont want to give the guy the wrong impression. Its not like you are guaranteed to lose every game with Necrons, they just arent as good as they were in 4th edition, or could be. Think Dark Eldar before the new codex. They have certain limitations and need to be used a certain way.

Bottom line on Necrons, if you like the look of them and the fluff behind them then go for it. They are one of the cheaper to buy and easier to paint armies, no doubts on that. Theres a new codex on the way early-mid next year which should address some of their shortcomings and maybe introduce some new models and/or troops.

In general if you are really worried about winning all the time...then grab a cheese army like Blood Angels or Space Wolves.

I just posted a couple pics of my Necrons in the Modeling forum, if you want to see how effective a simple paint scheme can be on them.