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At some point in the forseable future I will be getting myself an army with one big monster that will spread terror. I have currently started tomb kings. They are cool, but they do not have one cool monster that also is big.

My eyes browsed through the greater demons in the demon codex, and then I found the great unclean one. Moast of the nurgle units took a big hit since they can't have a ward save and regereate. However this one thing caught my eye and I want to hear you out what you think:

A great unclean one cast's the default spell Miasma of Pestilence on himself and charge a unit. If the greater demon has Pestilent Mucus he will kill an insane amount of models due to the stepp up rule, or am I missreading this? With a thoughnes of one they practicaly cant make that roll!

Edit: Also, if it works that way, is it to cheesy and un-friendly?

Bone Giants aren't cool?


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Also Pestilent Mucus only works when the Daemon is wounded.

In the size of game you'd need to run a Great Unclean One, your opponent is likely to have at least one solid option for jobbing him. IIRC, his I isn't much cop, so certain spells can mess him right up. And Ring Of Hotek, or other miscast increasing items could see him go pop in the first turn with a bit of bad luck.

I say try him out. Only way to be sure is if he works for you!

Niiai wrote:Moast of the nurgle units took a big hit since they can't have a ward save and regereate.

All daemons have a 5+ ward save, it's part of their Daemonic rule. And Plaguebearers can regenerate you just need to stick a Herald of Nurgle in the unit. Beasts of Nurgle also regenerate.

Under 8th, you cannot stack Regen with Ward anymore.

Bengrold Stonefist wrote:

Niiai wrote:Moast of the nurgle units took a big hit since they can't have a ward save and regereate.

All daemons have a 5+ ward save, it's part of their Daemonic rule. And Plaguebearers can regenerate you just need to stick a Herald of Nurgle in the unit. Beasts of Nurgle also regenerate.

But as it says in the rules for regeneration in the BRB, you can take EITHER a ward save OR a regen save, not both.
That is what he meant by them taking a hit.

OH! I didn't realize this. I'll be learning new rules for the next year and I've read the BRB 3 times. Time for number 4 I guess.

Oh there is much to learn my friend! Only today, I discovered that if you are in range of the General, you MUST use his Ld! Which has it's uses (nyuk nyuk nyuk!)

I think it's got potential. A lot of wounds, doesn't give up half points any more, and thunderstomp to help out in the crowd control area is all kind of cool.

Also the sixth spell of the lore is pretty cheap to cast and can lay the hurt on large formations. The breath weapon spell isn't half bad either- with good potential in certain matchups (especially against the pendant of K!).

He's certainly the greater demon that interests me the most...

Wow! (th replyes and yet none of them awsers the problem I am adressing.

If the great demon is in base contact with 5 units, and he tackes 3 wounds when he has the pestilence mucus up and the pestilence of miasma does that mean that 15 models have to take a thoughnes test of T1, or that only 5 have to do it?

Erm 5, maybe 6. Step up is a term that is compleetly wrong to the way the rules actually work, models don't step up it's just that casualties are removed from the back. The way to get a 6th test is if a champ dies, then a RnF model would actually step up to take his place and thus make a test himself.

I do not know how big the base of the Great Unclean One is, but lets says that 5 models are in base contact. GUO tackes 3 wounds. That is 15 saves. Say 3 people actualy manadges to pass the T1 test, then you remove 12 models from the unit? Neto!

You would pretty mutch garante that your oponent shuns a challenge (who would want to lose his character) rending big heroes useless. Wow that is good.

But is it cheesy? Would you feel cheated if you met this in a game?

Not really. I mean, once you've got that spell up, you're not actually all that likely to take wounds on the great unclean one. Everything will be WS 1, Str 1, A 1, right?

Not saying it's not a nice combo, but if the spell goes off the unit's got serious issues anyhow! Good call for mowing through crowds faster though.

OK, so the GUO will be an exelent tarpit. Hoever the adisional ranks will be abel to get the full benefit. So if he is up against some chaos warriors or phoenix guard then he will shurly tace some wounds from the other ranks.

But have I understood it right that due to the step up rule (or the fact that you remove units from the back if you want) you kill a LOTT of units rather then just killing the same 5 units 3 times. Yes or no?

That's a good question. The best part about PM+MoP is all the units in B2B suffer more wounds when he takes damage from combat res.

Say if the GUO looses combat by 3 and takes 3 wounds, would the 4 models in B2B with him have to take 3 tests or would you take 12 tests?

Well, the question would be if the 3 models would take 12 tests and die a lott, or if they would take 12 tests and remove 12 models instead of 3.

The 12 tests are there eather way.

Based on this from the latest FAQ:

Q. Do excess wounds inflicted by failed Toughness tests caused by Pestilent Mucus pass on to the rest of the models in the unit? (p94)
A. No.

I would say that that you could kill only the number of models that are already in contact (in most cases, 4).

Wow GW must have ran into this before.

Several of the Daemon players are starting to run GUOs with the S4 breath weapon, slime trail, inti tests for wounds suffered, and level 1 wizard for the 1st spell. I can't wait to throw the Hex scroll on one of those fat jerks.

GUO's are good for what they are, and the pestilence spell only affects models that are BTB.