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im making a new army and i want to know if this is legal


-force requirements of IG
-allied grey knights
-squad of death watch marines

i dont care if i cant play at tournaments but is it a viable army??

As I understand the Allies rules, it's legal. You'll have to buy one of the Inquisition codexes though, because I also believe there are some limits depending on which army your playing and the like. But yes....I have a buddy over here who runs Grey Knights in Vendettas. It is an evil, EVIL combination that has shattered my army time and time again.

it's Illegal.

can't be done.

there's two ways ally with grey knights.

Either be a Grey knight based army with EITHER IG or space marines but the codex clearly states you can't have both. It also restricts you to a very small list of choices as to which units from those armies your allowed.

Or your have an imperial army (IG, Space Marines) and put a small number of Grey Knights in it. However this doesn't allow you to have units from the other imperial army.

Don't you also have to have an Inquisitor to have access to the Allies special rule? I don't have a copy of either Daemonhunter or Witchhunter codex with me, so I'm flying blind here.

I dont believe you do, as to aleis my cousin who has played for a while now told me there was an exception due to the fact that deathwatch is not the same as space marines but i really dont know

Whether it's legal or not, why would you want to? It's not going to be terribly effective (what with missing the intra-codex synergy), and it's really not going to be terribly fluffy.

it actually has worked fairly well against my friend's eldar. my army isnt just the bare bones of the IG army i have heavy weapon teams, sentinels, veteran squad coupled with grey knights, and should i add the deathwatch a sufficient heavy mobile firebase

my question is it allowed

Please give me a definitive answer

You can not mix IG with any SM codex (SM, SW, BT, BA, etx.) period. Note DH is not a SM codex.

^ See above.

You can only mix IG and SM into a Daemonhunters army, (not both at the same time, mind you,) or use a select amount of DH models in an IG or SM list after the compulsory choices have been filled for the original army.

More importantly, Deathwatch doesn't really exist as its own separate army. But yeah, the two above posters have it down.

You can put IG or SM elements INTO a DH or WH army, or a small set of DH or WH into an IG army, but that's as far as the allies rules go.

To chris, i was using just one squad which are allowed in their "codex" to Ally with guard

The OP seems to suggest you were taking GK, and Deathwatch (which I assume are SM as there are no Ordo Xenos rules out there....). That is illegal. Taking a single squad of SM in an IG army? Also illegal. Single squad of GK? Legal.

samius wrote:To chris, i was using just one squad which are allowed in their "codex" to Ally with guard

There only 2 codex with Ally rules in them DH and WH, and like said before IG and SM don't mix.

If all you're playing is a casual game I say the rules and ally with whoever you want, so long as your opponent doesn't mind. However, I would still follow the suggested FOC in the Demon Hunter's codex for allying. It adds some balance to what can and how much can be taken (I.E. 2 troops, 1 HQ, 1 Fast).

ChrisWWII wrote:The OP seems to suggest you were taking GK, and Deathwatch (which I assume are SM as there are no Ordo Xenos rules out there....). That is illegal. Taking a single squad of SM in an IG army? Also illegal. Single squad of GK? Legal.

Online you can get a deathwatch codex which is allowed to ally with IG ... to clear up my army list it was base IG with allied GK plus the questionable squad of Deathwatch which count as an hq choice. this is the codex link http://www.scribd.com/doc/16407188/Codex-Deathwatch-Killteam

samius wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:The OP seems to suggest you were taking GK, and Deathwatch (which I assume are SM as there are no Ordo Xenos rules out there....). That is illegal. Taking a single squad of SM in an IG army? Also illegal. Single squad of GK? Legal.

Online you can get a deathwatch codex which is allowed to ally with IG ... to clear up my army list it was base IG with allied GK plus the questionable squad of Deathwatch which count as an hq choice. this is the codex link http://www.scribd.com/doc/16407188/Codex-Deathwatch-Killteam

That isn't a real codex. So not legal.

But would you say based on what it says there that its legal to have the army im describing

Sorry no, if your friends so OK go ahead and do it.

But, there is no legal way to do it.

i do not mean GW legal... my freind has agreed to use the codex but i want to use the Illegitimate codex in the most legal way possible.

You're into fandex territory, and there are no rules. If your opponent agrees, ok. Hell, if you can get your opponent to agree that lasguns are S10 AP1 then you can play that too! We were giving you the GW rules, which are the only real rules. Once you start using fandexes, it's all about what your opponent agrees to.

Well, thank you


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what do you think the best GK IG mix is??

samius wrote:Well, thank you


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what do you think the best GK IG mix is??

3 man TGK one w/ Psycannon.
Sadly I can't recommand any other GK Unit.

i have 6 man and so you think the rest should be IG