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Terminators get 2 attacks according to the codex. I also see they have a power fist. The rules state that if you have one normal weapon and one special weapon that you get the +1 attack and both weapons have the "special power" of the special weapon... except for power weapons. Does this mean that the terminators only get 2 attacks in close combat when being assaulted instead of the +1 bonus to make it 3? Thanks

fixxxer76 wrote:Terminators get 2 attacks according to the codex. I also see they have a power fist. The rules state that if you have one normal weapon and one special weapon that you get the +1 attack and both weapons have the "special power" of the special weapon... except for power weapons. Does this mean that the terminators only get 2 attacks in close combat when being assaulted instead of the +1 bonus to make it 3? Thanks

A Storm Bolter is not a CCW.

What happens is you get +1 attack if you have a Normal CCW and a Special CCW, and all attacks are made with the Special CCW.

Terminators don't have that, they only have 1 special CCW, so they don't get a bonus attack, but get a bonus attack if they assault, as normal.

Plus they have a powerfist so even if a stormbolter was a CCW, pistol or single-handed weapon (it isn't any of those things) they still wouldn't get a bonus attack.

P42, bottom right.

Power weapons gain an extra attack from an additional CCW, powerFISTs do not.

Isn't a Powerfist a powerweapon? Or does the rule book specifically deal with that--mine's far, far out of reach at present. Also I've only recently started a SM army, so in advance--sorry for a potentially stupid question.

Power Fists are Power Weapons that double the user's Strength and attack at Initiative 1. Pg. 42

So, since they fall under Special close Combat Weapons, you'd need two of them to gain the extra attack.

Aah, thanks for the clarification.

Eternal Newb - not quite true.

THey are special CCW, which normally means another "normal" CCW will get you the extra attack. HOWEVER Lightning claws, powerfists, chainfists and Thunderhammers have an *extra* rule stating you need two of them to gain the attack.

This was a deliberate balancing measure from 4th to 5th, to hopefully make the powerfist the less automatic squad leader upgrade.

well, nos, it's not just balancing, it's also sensible and logical.

The idea witha power weapon is non-sensicle. [I think thats the write spelling] a bolt pistol doesn't suddenly become a power weapon. thats just stupid. but he gets the extra attack, because it's weilded simmilarily to a normal CCW.

The BP counting as a normal CCW is just meant for weapons of a simmilar grandeur. the fact that a fist can't get that bonus is logical, as the pistol really doesn't become so ultra-powerful that it can bust a tank wall if it hacks it. [though, it can with marines...]

If this game were based on logic your plasma pistol would make you S7 ignoring armour in combat. It doesnt.

It is PURELY for game balance, and nothing more.

What, so my sgt with a pistol and PF still only gets 2 attacks? We might have been playing wrong!
Do the dirty PC nobz only have two base as well then?

mattyrm wrote:What, so my sgt with a pistol and PF still only gets 2 attacks? We might have been playing wrong!
Do the dirty PC nobz only have two base as well then?

Nobz have 3 base attacks, and yes, they do not gain an extra attack for having a second CCW, since the PK is a power fist in all respects.

They still get their +1 attack on the charge, though. Four power fist attacks on the charge is nothing to sneeze at.

What's interesting is that a Terminator sarge that wields a PW and a SB, has 2 attacks for 40ish points.

A tactical sarge with PW and pistol, has 2 attacks for 30ish points.

All of these attacks are energy weapons, hence negating armour saves

The 10 points difference... I guess its the price you pay for TDA sexy outfit!

3 attacks actually.....

Thanks Nos for pointing that out, should have realized I missed something when typing that out.