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Put together some new 1,500 and 2,000 Lists which try 5 Deathwing Squads, as opposed to the usual 3.

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1,500

Belial 130

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, Apoth, TH/SS, 2 TLC 245

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, 2 TH/SS, 2 TLC 215

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, 2 TH/SS, 2 TLC 215

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, 4 PF/SB 215

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, 4 PF/SB 215

Ravenwing (3#) 2 Meltaguns 140

Ravenwing (3#) 2 Meltaguns 140

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2,000

Belial 130

Damocles 60

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, Apoth, HF/Chain, TH/SS, TLC 255

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, HF/Chain, TH/SS, 2 TLC 225

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, HF/Chain, TH/SS, 2 TLC 225

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, AC, 3 PF/SB 245

Deathwing (5#) Sergeant PW/SB, AC, 3 PF/SB 245

Ravenwing (3#) PW, 2 Meltaguns 155

Ravenwing (3#) PW, 2 Meltaguns 155

Deathstorm 75

Vindicator 115

Vindicator 115

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Because of the nature of the Lists, I'll probably get more use from 2,000 Points than I will 1,500. Before anybody corrects me on Vindicator Costs, I'm using the Imperial Armour Rules. I already need Opponent's Permission for the Damocles and Deathstorm, so it's 20 Points for nothing. Beardy, I know, but it's 20 Points I'd rather have than throw away. Some of the finer details I'm not sure about, but the framework of the Lists will stay.

I'm going to be using the 2,000 Points List at the ol' Club on Wednesday Night. It's a rematch against a Blood Angels Player; last night, I played him with the Tri-'Nator List I run, and tabled him in 2 Turns! I lose 2 Terminators and a Biker.

Thoughts?

Thanks for your input.

Nobody's got a comment?

The book itself is a little out of date but this might come in handy

http://win-warhammer-40k.blogspot.com/2008/11/deathwing-army-at-uk-warhammer-40k.html

it has some good suggestions, although a little bit old it is still relevant with Deathwing

I love the Deathwing...

In my opinion Belial's best attribute id making the DW troops. He lacks something, especially in comparison with the vanilla marines specials. I'm not saying he needs to be calgar (bloody smurfs) but a new codex is needed to bring the DA into the light.

Have you considered taking a second HQ... Terminator Interrogators leads CC Terminators effectively. All LC's would give you re-roll to hit and wound on the charge!. Especially when assaulting from a Land Raider. Plus the Land Raider gives you a few extra anti-tank weapons!

Mixing up the CC weapons is tactically sound though as you can always bash stuff to bits so you can't be locked in CC with sentinels or dreads like you could with an all LC squad!

Chainfists rock!

Ravenwing are a decent add on to the force but I think if your going to use them effectively would you not need larger squads? Or are they intended for suicide melta tactics? They're toughness five but picking off three bikes isn't too difficult... unless people are so focussed on terminators that they forget they are there... have scout... turbo boost and carry melta guns!

Would like to see pics though, I love the Deathwing!

Thanks for the link, unite all action. That should come in handy! I'll have a read in a minute or two.

Now, geordie09, for your many comments.

I agree that Belial is under-powered for what he's supposed to be. However, in a Deathwing List like this, sadly he's a staple.

I actually run an Interrogator Chaplain in the 1,500 Points List I usually use, but for 1,500 with 5 Deathwing Squads, I found it too much of a squeeze. The same goes for 2,000; by the time I had done everything I needed to do, there wasn't much space for the Chaplain. I might re-jig things if I see the need, though.

Land Raiders; I don't think they're a valuable investment. The List is really focused around Deep-Striking. That's why I have 3 HF Squads - the ones which drop in first - and 2 AC Squads - the ones which come in Turn 3 to secure rearward Objectives. Land Raiders just don't really fit into that picture, and at 250 Points, they most certainly don't fit.

Chainfists do indeed rock! I punched through a Storm Raven on Wednesday with 4 of them, and boy did it feel good when I got 4 Pens.

I don't think I need larger squads. The Bikers will be scooting forward and utilizing their Teleport Homers to safely DS the Terminators in, and then turning to whatever Vehicle I want gone, and removing it from the equation.

I would get some Pictures, but as-is, they're all Primed Yellow. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of re-doing them.

Thanks for the help, bud!

Popsicle wrote:I would get some Pictures, but as-is, they're all Primed Yellow. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of re-doing them.

No reason you can't use the DA codex and belial to represent the Fist's 1st company.

I would try and squeeze the damocles into the 1500pt list as well - it's a huge boost for a deepstriking list.


The biggest problem I see you having is cracking transports open. You can do it in the assault phase just fine but then you get shot and charged by the occupants. I'm not sure what to suggest though, your typhoons suck and you can only get one MM/HF speeder per squadron. I would consider swapping some of the heavy flamers for cyclones, they're not as good as vanilla but it's still a passable transport killer. Possibly long-range dreads or preds instead of the vindicators.

Popsicle wrote:I don't think I need larger squads. The Bikers will be scooting forward and utilizing their Teleport Homers to safely DS the Terminators in, and then turning to whatever Vehicle I want gone, and removing it from the equation.

Teleport Homers... of course. Gotcha!

Thanks for the comments.

Your deathwing squads seem a little lacking in wargear.

for a squad of 5 you need to be taking something along these lines.

Belials squad could do with being in a LRC.
Give belial TH+SS, 5 man squad should have 4xTLC and chainfist. you could possibly chuck a Interrogator chaplain in there with them for the extra kick.

Deepstriking squads need to have a little bit of fire power.
would recommend giving an assault cannon where possible.

also try and take some more meltas eh ? and mix up the bike squads try and take a plasma gun for its range.
Regards