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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot




Vampire Counts Wight King
Nightshroud (Enemy models wishing to attack the wearer lose all charging bonuses, lose the Always Strikes First rule(if they have it) and have thier inititive reduced to one)
The sword of kings (killing blow on 5+)

IMHO that 120 point hero is pretty cheesy, Suck it high elf heros and grimgore.

Thoughts would be appriciated, any good ideas about this combo?

Also has anyone found any good alterneative models for Wight kings, or converison guide?

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2010/10/22 01:59:20


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Warhammer: 7000Empire, 10000 WE, 9000 Brets, 4000 DE 
   
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Yea that would be incredible if the Wight King actually got more than 3 attacks at a strictly average WS.

As it stands now against most characters he will get 1.5 hits, and then 0.5 of those will be killing blows, but thats not all, because you still need to get past the 4+ Ward Saves (or 3+ for Chaos Warriors) that everyone is taking these days.

So in the end with average rolling you will cause 0.25 Killing Blows.

Wight Kings are meant to be Sturdy but not very strong. A good set of armour or a 4+/5+ ward save on him as a BSB is probably your best bet.

I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. 
   
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Chaos warriors have a 6+ ward with shields and a 5+ with the mark of tzeench. Second not very many heros have a 4+ ward save. In addition the Wight king is usually in a grave guard bunker with the +1 to hit banner and the lords WS because of the VC special helmet. So he is hitting on 2s or 3s on most people leading to 2 hits, he will average over one wound agianst the typical T4 hero, and against the T5 hero he will be wounding on a 5+ which would cause killing blow. SO for 120 points he is kind of worth it now?

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UNREALPwnage wrote:Chaos warriors have a 6+ ward with shields and a 5+ with the mark of tzeench. Second not very many heros have a 4+ ward save. In addition the Wight king is usually in a grave guard bunker with the +1 to hit banner and the lords WS because of the VC special helmet. So he is hitting on 2s or 3s on most people leading to 2 hits, he will average over one wound agianst the typical T4 hero, and against the T5 hero he will be wounding on a 5+ which would cause killing blow. SO for 120 points he is kind of worth it now?


Well you didnt mention you were using the crown of command and the +1 to hit banner.

And with the wards I'm talking about characters. Pretty much the first chaos characters you will see will always have MoT and one of the two 4+ Ward items from the BRB.

As for other races. I have only seen 1-2 out of about 12 people that I play regularly not use the 4+ Ward save items somewhere in their list, especially on BSB's.

And the chaos warriors dont matter to you because that build is strictly for character hunting.

Lastly, yes. Hitting on a 2+ will change the scenario drammatically, in which case you will hit 2.5 times and killing blow 0.833 times.

Last tip, though this is streaching it alittle. If you want you can try to get vanhel's off on the unit so you will reroll hits due to higher I + ASF, and taking a Vampire with forbbidden lore (Beasts) will allow you to give the King +3 Attacks with one of the spells. I wouldnt, but if you want to make the most out of this character than you could try it.

I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. 
   
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I was just curious, my first game with my VC list wil be in a team doubles tournement so i am just trying to decide what to take, my model count is limited and i am not allowed to change my list once it starts, so my list is:

Lords
Mannfred
Help of Commandment
The Hand of Dust

Heros
Wight King
BSB
The Drakenhof Banner

Wight King
Nightshroud
The Sword of Kings

Vampire
Forbiden Lore
Lord of the Dead
The Flayed Hauberk
Sceptre de Noirot

Core
18 Skeleton Warriors
Banner of Endless Nightmare
Full Command

Special
23 Grave Guard
Banner of the Barrows
Full Command
Great Weapon

25 Grave Guard
Full Command

Rules for the Tournement is that both players must follow the proper rules for a 4000 point list, but the players can share all of the catagories.


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Any sugestions to better the list, i plan on raising dead and have 20 additional skeleton warriors.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2010/10/22 02:35:43


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UNREALPwnage wrote:I was just curious, my first game with my VC list wil be in a team doubles tournement so i am just trying to decide what to take, my model count is limited and i am not allowed to change my list once it starts, so my list is:

Lords
Mannfred
Help of Commandment
The Hand of Dust

Heros
Wight King
BSB
The Drakenhof Banner

Wight King
Nightshroud
The Sword of Kings

Vampire
Forbiden Lore
Lord of the Dead
The Flayed Hauberk
Sceptre de Noirot

Core
18 Skeleton Warriors
Banner of Endless Nightmare
Full Command

Special
23 Grave Guard
Banner of the Barrows
Full Command
Great Weapon

25 Grave Guard
Full Command

Rules for the Tournement is that both players must follow the proper rules for a 4000 point list, but the players can share all of the catagories.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any sugestions to better the list, i plan on raising dead and have 20 additional skeleton warriors.


You need 25% of your army points filled up with core... One unit of 18 Skelletons isn't going to cut it.

I hate hard counters. In a game of rock, paper, scissors, I hate playing any of the factions because no matter what you choose you might as well not deploy against your hard counter. I want to use a gun. Rock, paper, and scissors could all probably still beat gun, but gun will never feel like a game is a lost cause. 
   
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I know, the tournements rules state that your partner and you must have 25% in core, Assume for the tournement that i am within the points allowed, how do the heroes and grave guard look?

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Texas

That tourny sounds kinda funky. Jeez imagine beastmen+skaven. Beastmen take all minotaurs while skaven fill up on slaves and HPA.

Anyways imo you can do without Drak banner. Maybe get something like ironcurse icon and fill up on more GG

 
   
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I have:
Lahmian Vampire, Foot and Mounted
Vlad von Carstein
Manfred von Carstein
Wight Battle Standard Bearer
Wight King
Vampire Counts Strigoi Vampire
Blood Dragon Mounted
Vampire Counts Corpse Cart
Vampire Counts Crypt Ghouls (40)
Vampire Counts Skeleton Warriors (38)
Vampire Counts Grave Guard (23 w/great weapons)
Vampire Counts Grave Guard (25 with sword and shield)
Vampire Counts Fell Bats (5)
Vampire Counts Varghulf*2
Cairn Wraith (5 from mantic)

Can you provide sugestions? My partner is running:
Grimgore Ironhide
NG bis boss w/ bsb and some magic armor to give him a 4+/6+ and ruby ring of ruin )
40 orc big uns with usual load out and morks spirit totem(ranks+dispell dice)
38 black orcs with shield command and razor standard(armor piercing)
30 night goblins with bows and everything else
2 doomdivers

(He is getting rid of some black orks to get more orks to fill out core to 1000pts to make our combined list tournament leagal.)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/10/22 04:01:02


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For a good Wight King model, see if you can find an old Krell miniature, it may even be in the Fantasy Collectors section on the GW website.

Nice combo and a pretty cheap extra hero. I've been having a lot of fun with a large unit of Grave Guard powered up with the Helm of Commandment, the Banner of the Barrows, and Drakenhof Banner. It's taken on (and taken down) just about every other killer unit in the game without too much trouble.

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