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Just having a browse over the miniatures for the game and have a question.

I really like the 'War Hog' monster from minions

I also like the Cygnar faction from WM.

Can I combine these? I am told that WM/H is essentially the same game, if I take a controller for the war hog, can it function in the cygnar army (I like the warcaster lass with the long gun, those highwayman looking fellows and the warjack with the assault cannons).

Thanks

(PS if this sounds totally bizarre, like fielding Eldrad leading a hive fleet, I apologise, I don't really 'get' this game yet).

Short answer. No you cannot do that. The War Hog is a Minions Beast that can only be taken by a few Minion Warlocks.

In an average battle you can take 1 warcaster or warlock.
Which means you would take a Cygnar 'caster to allow Cygnar units.

You could then take the lesser Warlock Rorsch and his beast Brine, and I believe you could then take a Warhog as well.
But this would be 17pts that is lost if Rorsch is killed. And it is 2 other models that you may or may not want.

In a big game where 2 'casters or 'locks are allowed you could take your mostly Cygnar Force with their Warcaster,
then take Lord Carver, Minion Warlock, and his Battlegroup of War Hogs and Gun Boars.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:(PS if this sounds totally bizarre, ... I apologise, I don't really 'get' this game yet).

No worries

I think it's at 100pts, is when you start taking 2 casters/warlocks for a game. As skrulnik said, Lord Carver and his crew will work for Cygnar, but it'd need to be a massive game to do so.

Minions are their own faction... but they're like the mercs of hordes and they'll work for other folks and whatnot, but they are also their own contained armies. When the Minion book comes out, we'll see something very similar to the 'Mercenary Charters', with these 'Minion Pacts'.

So we'll see Gator warlocks only controlling Gators and [most likely] other amphibious creatures, while the Bacon-bellies (and according to fluff, Dr. Arkadius) will be mostly controlling other pigs.

If there are other questions that we can answer to help you 'get' WM/H, don't hesitate to ask

Can you actually combine Carver and Signar at 100pts? Carver's card says that he only works for Hordes factions (any of them) so I don't think you can mix armies between games.

powerclaw wrote:Can you actually combine Carver and Signar at 100pts? Carver's card says that he only works for Hordes factions (any of them) so I don't think you can mix armies between games.

You are right, you cannot take Carver in a Cygnar army (or any other Warmachine army for that matter), independently of game size.

Ah, well, obviously it'd have to say on the back of his card whether or not he'll work for Cygnar, but as I don't play him, I don't have his stat card :(

As for mixing armies, Mercs for SURE can... I know a few Merc warcaster totally can, but as I stated before, I don't have the Minion lock cards.

I do not believe you are limited on factions when playing a 2-caster game.

You could have Stryker and Sorcha vs Denehgra and Kreoss.

So why can't you have Stryker and Carver vs Grim and Gaspy?

skrulnik wrote:I do not believe you are limited on factions when playing a 2-caster game.

You could have Stryker and Sorcha vs Denehgra and Kreoss.

So why can't you have Stryker and Carver vs Grim and Gaspy?

You cannot do that, well you can since this is a game and you can make your own rules if you like, but under the official rules, the only factions that you can "mingle" in 2 caster games are WM \ Hordes Factions + Merc \ Minion Warcasters that specifically say that work for that faction.

The only example that I know of this "game system" mix happening at the warcaster level is Skorne can use Magnus as a second Skorne warlock in 100+ points games.

You can also take some minor warlocks (they say for wich faction they will work and a few ofthem work for WM factions as well as Hordes factions) in a normal 1 warcaster army but they aren't true warlocks.

But appart from those 2 examples, you can't mix warcasters and warlocks in the same army.

You are limited by faction/force constraints in two-caster games.

You are NOT limited by these constraints when playing non-standard formats. Well, depending
on the rules.

@MeanGreenStompa

I suggest looking over the Minions line at the Farrow models. If you like them all, just go Hordes.
A Farrow list is usable under the Thornfall Alliance.

Lord Carver and Doctor Arcadius are the Warlocks currently available.
The War Hog and the Gun Boar are the Beasts.
The units useable are Farrow Brigands and Farrow Bonegrinders.

Also useable are Rorsch and Brine, a lesser Warlock and his beast.
Solos are Alten Ashley, Saxon Orrick, Professor Pendrake, and Gudrun the Wanderer.
You can only have Pendrake or Orrick, but not both.

Potentially there will be more models available, or there will be a more flexible contract allowing more choice.
But currently the above are it.

I love the Carver model for its Pigman-Conan aesthetic. So I bought him and 2 Warhogs and a Gunboar to give me a basic useable Farrow force.
Now I need to convert the 2nd Hog somehow.

The problem I had with the war hog is for 8 points, it just doesn't do much. No thresher, no reach, low threshold to fury, and just blah. If he were 6 or 7 points ( I know all to well about the merc tax ), I'd like him but for 8 points I just ain't feeling the love for it. I tried a couple games on Vassal with a 35 point Farrow list and they just really failed to make me go wow.

12thRonin: I'm at all experianced but I would suggest reading up on BattleCollege. Apparently the War Hog is a very Fury-efficient beast, esp. on Carvers feat turn.

Battlecollege is nifty, but I'd have to repeat the 'grain of salt' reference.

What 12thRonin is (IMO) trying to say is that compared to other similar beast/jacks it is overpriced for what it can do, irrespective of what it can do on Carver's feat turn.

I agree it looks and feels lik ea 6-7 heavy, but is sadly not.

The Hog isn't badly priced.

Compare to the Slayer. The Hog is 2pts more, which accounts for the Animus.
Every other difference is a swap. Speed, DEF, and open fists for STR and ARM.