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Say an objective is placed on the top story of a 3-story ruin (9 inch high), and a vehicle drives as close as possible to it to contest at ground level. From a top-down view, he is 1" from the objective, even though its still 9" high. Is the vehicle contesting it?

scubasteve04 wrote:Say an objective is placed on the top story of a 3-story ruin (9 inch high), and a vehicle drives as close as possible to it to contest at ground level. From a top-down view, he is 1" from the objective, even though its still 9" high. Is the vehicle contesting it?

You use actual distance.

Or not. It's up to you to decide Pre Game.

So an objective placed on a third story of a ruin (thats legal im guessing) is impossible to be contested by skimmers, walkers, tanks, vehicles, ect?


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Because in shooting, if that objective shot at the rhino or vise versa, it would be 1" inch range.

If the unit type is not allowed in the upper levels of ruins, those units will not be able to claim/contest objectives in the upper levels of ruins.

Top down view? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

I can move a model so that it is 1" away from the objective even though it is completely across the board via squinted-one-eye-closed view. Does that count?

Seriously, I have heard of the most ridiculous attempts at contesting objectives.

Seriously, measure the distance from the base of the model to the base of the objective. If it is < then 3", you are contesting it. If you are > or = to 3", you are not contesting it.

I say an Eldar player try to flat out one of his skimmers onto the third level of a ruin and say that he was contesting it despite the rules clearly outlining what units can move to the upper levels of a ruin. Saw a Leman Russ trying to do it as well from a pretty unsavory IG player.

scubasteve04 wrote:Because in shooting, if that objective shot at the rhino or vise versa, it would be 1" inch range.

What?

If it is 9" above the rhino, the range is 9". . . .

Yep, a lot of people dont measure the actual distance....just a 2D version of the distance.

Easier, but incorrect.

I'd say the vehicle can contest the objective if the vehicle's hull extends 6" from the ground.

And, you do have to measure 3D distance for shooting, not 2D.

kirsanth wrote:

scubasteve04 wrote:Because in shooting, if that objective shot at the rhino or vise versa, it would be 1" inch range.

What?

If it is 9" above the rhino, the range is 9". . . .

I dont have my rulebook handy, but I rememeber reading something where you measure straight across from a top down perspective when shooting, not at an angle. So the rhino would be within 1" range in shooting from the objective

maybe im just thinking of flamer templates

You mis-remember.

kirsanth wrote:You mis-remember.

Hahaha!

scubasteve04 wrote:I dont have my rulebook handy, but I rememeber reading something where you measure straight across from a top down perspective when shooting, not at an angle. So the rhino would be within 1" range in shooting from the objective

Look at BRB page 82 under Coping with Different Heights, for measuring weapon ranges you measure from base to base. For vehicles you would measure from the weapon to the base.

As far as objectives, see page 91 under "Seize Ground" and "Capture and Control" missions, for the 3" measurement; "As different objectives vary in shape and size, it is important to agree at the beginning of the game exactly where this distance will be measured from."

The only time you don't measure base to base is for unit coherency, also on page 82 under (ahem) "Unit Coherency" where you measure ffrom the base of a model on a higher level to any part of the body of a model on a lower floor.