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So.... DA, mistreated 1st foundation chapter deserve at least a topic where players fantasize about them...
So i propose something for a possible codex
:
-Slow and purposeful vets with 2 heavy weapons and a 5++ save because it reflects their grim determiation in marching through th bettlefield
-Wolf guard style termies with the chance of choosing the equipment of every single miniature (it reflects the better technology of DA) and maybe some heavy weapon others chapters can't use with termies (plasma cannon? lascannon?)
- jetbikes... because they are cool !!!!
-Not melee monster hqs but something more subtle ( a lot of ways to influence enemy's movement or morale and to improve their own troops abilities ... and maybe also shooty charcters (belial could have an assault cannon)

... come on... we all know DA won't have a new codex for A LOT of time... but we can try to figure out how it should be...

Plasma cannons that don't overheat and scatter, to reflect their affinity for the weapons.
SGT. NAAMAN!!!!
More IC's
Termies need buffs, plasma cannons sound good, something to make them special now that wolves can take them as troops.
As much as I like the idea of imperial jetbikes I think it would break too much with fluff
Ravenwing needs a serious buff, scout bikers in the nilla dex are just as good nearly
I think the Hunt for the Fallen needs to be expanded both fluff wise and rule wise. Favored enemy against chaos marines?
Options for a Fallen army list other than just a Dark Angels list with player fallen fluff
Pre-heresy units, being able to play Cypher like the BA can play the one vain guy (typh...? something)
General balancing issues need to be fixed.

Just some thoughts.

If they are doing what I hope they are doing and going in reverse order I'm hoping to see DA around mid to late 2012. Right before the world ends I will die a happy nerd

punkow wrote:So.... DA, mistreated 1st foundation chapter deserve at least a topic where players fantasize about them...
So i propose something for a possible codex
:
-Slow and purposeful vets with 2 heavy weapons and a 5++ save because it reflects their grim determiation in marching through th bettlefield
-Wolf guard style termies with the chance of choosing the equipment of every single miniature (it reflects the better technology of DA) and maybe some heavy weapon others chapters can't use with termies (plasma cannon? lascannon?)
- jetbikes... because they are cool !!!!
-Not melee monster hqs but something more subtle ( a lot of ways to influence enemy's movement or morale and to improve their own troops abilities ... and maybe also shooty charcters (belial could have an assault cannon)

... come on... we all know DA won't have a new codex for A LOT of time... but we can try to figure out how it should be...

To your first point? No. God no. Making them knockoff Thousand Sons won't do anything. Make them all stubborn, like they were in 3rd ed.

Having them have Wolf Guard-style options doesn't make sense for them. They're not as individualistic as Space Wolves, and stick to the codex more. The way they have their squads right now is fine (barring squad size that is) although giving them more plasma is something I like.

I support them getting jetbikes. It doesn't quite make sense but whatever, they're the first legion.

Subtler HQs is fine. That's more the DA angle anyway.

I understand your point but I think slow and purposeful could be an interesting way to charachterise them... DA are a shooty army and a slow moving line of bolter seems amazing to me... it makes them look ghost-like...

anyway I would like to have all stubborn DA, not only the veterans...
I suggest a wolf-guard style Deathwing because the most ancient chapter should have the best technology, but maybe a better teleport ability is enough...

DA shouldn't have jetbikes. because the fluff states that sammaels jetbike is one of the last imperial jetbikes. So it wouldn't make sense if they would have units of Jetbikes.
I do like the idea of stubborn for all units in DA list, just because it fits fluff-wise.
Hunt for the fallen must make a return along with Cypher, who is very cool.

If Sammael has the last imperial jet-bike, Dark angels can have other jet-bikes... why shouldn't they be able to copy sammael jetbike? (there is a long discussion about that and a lot of sources demonstrate tha techmarine are able to retroengeneer )... and beside that, fluff exist to make armies cooler... if it limits ideas instead of suggesting more it's useless...

Entire units of jetbikes... 5 bike unit with 12'' move, fast, with a plasma cannon and a TL bolter each? Yes please!

On the other hand, having jetbikes being limited gives Sammael something to be special over. If everyone has it he gets seriously nerfed and he'll be stuck in the Speeder, which while cool isn't nearly as great looking as the Sammael jetbike model. While I would hope he would get a special bike or something along those lines it doesn't completely appeal to me for some reason, fluff wise. Game wise I'm all for it.

Why not just give the other Dark Angels an inferior version to Sammael's? That way, he's still special for having the uuber coolest jetbike in the Imperium, but the other DA get much-needed access to a new unit.

I think instead that Sammael alone looks a single weirdmachine-rider ... I'd love to see him leading the only jetbike unit of the imperium to a glorious victory...
His jetbike should still have more weapons and, why not, better stats ...

punkow wrote:So.... DA, mistreated 1st foundation chapter deserve at least a topic where players fantasize about them...

Wait, so all first founding chapeters deserve their own codex?! Oh boy! Or at least a special charecter or two? Even if they don't follow the codex? C'mon, I can name at least two second founding chapters that have their own books, and two that have their own SCs. (one is 100% codex astartes too, and who's only notewothy feature was almost getting wiped out by sheer negligence)


Stupid Black Templars.


...and Crimson Fists.

I don't see your point sniperjolly...
But this is a wish list for a possible new codex.. not a debate on DA worthiness of their own codex ...

It was a big, fat eyroll at the implication that the DA are mistreated more than, say, Sallies, Raven Guard, or Iron Hands.

Tactical squads with the options of

Hvy bolter
Hvy flamer
Multi-melta
Plasma cannon
Plasma gun

AND

Melta
Flamer
Plasma cannon
Plasma gun

So you can double up on either flavor of plasma goodness, to taste.

Fleshed out Deathwing/Raven Wing, with elite choice bikes, heavy support land speeders, TDA devistator squads, or even "jump infantry" teleporter units in TDA, to allow the specialist companies to participate in each of the slots and allow the army to play up the one thing actually different about them. (save their fluff, which I will not sink to insulting here)

maybe it's true... but this isn't the topic of this thread.

Honestly, I'd be happy if the wargear in the DA codex was the same as the Wargear in the SM codex, specifically Stormshield, Cyclone Missle Launcher, and Narcatheium.

And where's "Hunt the Fallen", huh?

sniperjolly wrote:

punkow wrote:So.... DA, mistreated 1st foundation chapter deserve at least a topic where players fantasize about them...

Wait, so all first founding chapeters deserve their own codex?! Oh boy! Or at least a special charecter or two? Even if they don't follow the codex? C'mon, I can name at least two second founding chapters that have their own books, and two that have their own SCs. (one is 100% codex astartes too, and who's only notewothy feature was almost getting wiped out by sheer negligence)


Stupid Black Templars.


...and Crimson Fists.

Pedro Kantor is cool, and Gabrial Seth has the GIANT CHAINSWORD OF DEATH! But yah, Iron hands need SOMETHING!

Ideed, but that's off topic! *shakes finger*