Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So just out of curiosity who do you guys think would win if we were to divide the galaxy into two. One side we would squeeze in the pre-Dark age of tech human empire the other the Pre-Fall Eldar.

The reason I ask is because when i read any fluff on Pre-doomsday human power it is always described as uber powerful, technology mastered, and no one able to oppose them. The STC modules out there expanding the colonies, and the military supported by grav tech; plasma, and those other nasty sci fi stuff. Their overall tech was unobscurred by religion or superstition. Basically badasses.

Now the Eldar when they are described they are post scarcity society who didnt even bother with fighting their own wars and used armies of robot constructs. Basically copy and paste the description above but with Eldar flavor.

So who do you guys think would win and why? I personally think the Eldar might have an advantage. Humans would give the Eldar a run for their money but once the Eldar population gears for war and starts doing things themselves as well they might get a advantage.

It would be like the Minbari VS Humans war in Babylon 5. Minbari will be playing the role of the Eldar.

well i believe that the humans in B5 during that war were significantly less advanced than the minbari.

LOL how reatardedis that train of thought...ohh alien species lets approach them with weapon ports open... bamn right in the kisser!!!

double lols one carrier vs 20+ cruisers that isnt heroic its just plain slowed.

well anyways I dont think thats a good comparison honestly

remember the umies had machines of there own, the iron men, howd that work out lol

Well in 40M the Eldar technology is still well above the human tech. While the human tech is certainly lower than it was before the Dark Ages. Did it really used to be that much better than it is now?

I think the image of minbari cruisers wiping out human ships effortlessly does fits Eldar vs Human.

Is there any fluff on eldar worlds been taken over by humans before the Age of Strife?

Alien Wars — Mankind engages Eldar and Orks in first extensive warfare.

I found this quote on schola Progenium. This was 23M so after the golden age of man.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Golden Age man had stone men who then had iron men.

the fact humans even exist with the eldar at the height of there power must mean humanity could, and did, fight off the eldar in the inevitable border skirmishes, how else humanity have spread so far and fast.

this couples with the fact the Eye of terror covers 99% of the eldar core empire, and that humans during the crusade were found all around the Eye of terror, must mean the eldar were some what cramped (in galctic terms), I cannot imagine pre or post fall Eldar tolerating humans ON there doorstep.

in conclusion humanity at the height of its power could at the very least fight on somewhat eqaul terms with the Eldar.
definatle not ISA vs Minbari.... B5 was the tits

The limits of the eldar core empire could also be regarded as self imposed. They created their maiden worlds outside the empire, but these processes took thousands of years and im not sure how guarded these planets in the making were.
In craftworld eldar it talks about the craftworlds venturing thousands of light years away from their home worlds, and been away for centuries. The best way to look at pre fall eldar is an increasingly sedentary central empire with the traders and travellers wandering the galaxy in their craftworlds.
The golden age, nice humans, probably hardly ever came into conflict with the eldar. The only eldar they met were the traders, and they were too busy expanding to attack the eldar empire directly.

Formosa wrote:the fact humans even exist with the eldar at the height of there power must mean humanity could, and did, fight off the eldar in the inevitable border skirmishes, how else humanity have spread so far and fast.

this couples with the fact the Eye of terror covers 99% of the eldar core empire, and that humans during the crusade were found all around the Eye of terror, must mean the eldar were some what cramped (in galctic terms), I cannot imagine pre or post fall Eldar tolerating humans ON there doorstep.

in conclusion humanity at the height of its power could at the very least fight on somewhat eqaul terms with the Eldar.
definatle not ISA vs Minbari.... B5 was the tits

Isn't it mentioned that duing the golden age the imperium isn't as vast and they actuallly have trade route's/deals with the Eldar empire?

Heres a line that reverses the minbari vs human idea

With mankind at the height of its power the threat of aliens was trivial and eventually nonaggression pacts were signed with many of the alien races.

from http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology

That is threat. It isnt implying that humans could wipe everyone out. just that humans were not going to get wiped out by another race.

on the other hand from the same site

The Fall of the Eldar occurred over ten thousand years ago and ended the Eldar supremacy inside of the Milky Way galaxy. They were at the height of their empire and held sway over the vast majority of the galaxy. Their worlds were paradises and full of peace and cultural achievement, and then it was all but destroyed.

GW contradicting itself... never lol

howerever that little bit of info is quite telling, it seems that neither could push the other out, so peace treaty it was.

so maybe the answer was, stalemate

Before the fall the Eldar controlled the ENTIRE galaxy. The core of that empire is now the EoT. Humanity hadnt even left there solar system yet as it was surrounded by warpstorms till the shockwave the fall made blew them away. The the golden age of expansion began for humanity.

BTW prefall eldar could snuff out stars by thinking hard enough about it. Im going to go out on a limb and say even at there peek... humans couldnt beat that.

It has to be Eldar, who at their peak effectivley could destroy systems on a whim. Humanity, though a powerful force in it's golden age, couldn't do that; they were too busy controlling the rest of their empire.

Of course, the real answer is Golden Age Superman, but that's neither here nor there.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Of course, the real answer is Golden Age Superman, but that's neither here nor there.

More like Golden APE Goku.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It has to be Eldar, who at their peak effectivley could destroy systems on a whim. Humanity, though a powerful force in it's golden age, couldn't do that; they were too busy controlling the rest of their empire.

Of course, the real answer is Golden Age Superman, but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, the guy that could juggle planets.... Goku's nothing on Superman.

Melissia wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It has to be Eldar, who at their peak effectivley could destroy systems on a whim. Humanity, though a powerful force in it's golden age, couldn't do that; they were too busy controlling the rest of their empire.

Of course, the real answer is Golden Age Superman, but that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, the guy that could juggle planets.... Goku's nothing on Superman.

His lack of Kryptonite would let him down compared to Supes.

But yeah, has to be Eldar really. They were ridiculously powerful back in the day.

I,personally,would think the imperium would get it`s @$$ handed to them,if the eldar can field equal numbers of the same tech they have now,the imperium better start building their own craftworlds.

Laughing God wrote:Before the fall the Eldar controlled the ENTIRE galaxy. The core of that empire is now the EoT. Humanity hadnt even left there solar system yet as it was surrounded by warpstorms till the shockwave the fall made blew them away. The the golden age of expansion began for humanity.

Yes, humanity most certainly had left the solar system before The Fall. Humanity left Earth much earlier during the Dark Age of Technology when they discovered the Navagator gene, spread across much of the galaxy, established uncounted colonies and fought in unremembered wars.

It wasn't until M25 when Slaanesh's That "gestation" started and that was the source of the warp storms which cut off human colonies from Earth and isolated what previously was a vast interstellar human empire. In M29 Slaanesh was born, The Fall happened, and the warp storms stopped.

Chuck Norris.