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Hello again
are the appocalypse units available in Normal Battles and/or Tournaments?
Cheers,

From what I understand not generally. If you want to use certain figures that's usually OK but as a general rule FW rules based stuff is not acceptable. Again this is a generalization consult the specific TO for clearance.

Tournaments usually specify what books you can select units from. (usually codex only)

For other play, the units in the Imperial Armour and Imperial Armour Apocalypse books are usable in 40K and Apoc. Note that super heavies cannot be used in normal 40K games as they do not fit in standard FOCs.

Sir Stroud wrote:are the appocalypse units available in Normal Battles and/or Tournaments?)

Only with the express permission of your opponent or TO.

Normal 40k games are just that. Normal 40k. If you use apocalypse material then you are playing an apocalypse game. If your playing FW armies then it's a FW game. It's no different than Planetstrike, Cities of death, or Spearhead. They are all different expansions for the core 40k rules and therefore must be agreed upon before a game.

For tournaments as has been stated you must find out what material that TO is using.

MekanobSamael wrote:

Sir Stroud wrote:are the appocalypse units available in Normal Battles and/or Tournaments?)

Only with the express permission of your opponent or TO.

The opponent's permission requirement has been removed since IA:A1 (where they make a point of removing it). IA units require no more "permission" in a normal game than any other units.

Scott-S6 wrote:The opponent's permission requirement has been removed since IA:A1 (where they make a point of removing it). IA units require no more "permission" in a normal game than any other units.

Having said that, some players refuse to accept that Forgeworld rules are 'official'... so it's always a good idea to discuss it with your opponent anyway, to avoid unpleasantness.

Scott-S6 wrote:The opponent's permission requirement has been removed since IA:A1 (where they make a point of removing it). IA units require no more "permission" in a normal game than any other units.

I'm playing a game against you right now, my 2500 points vs the zero you put on my table. I'm counting it as a win on my permanent record, and you're now on my defeated list as a massacre.
Since apparently you don't need an opponent's permission to play against your list in the first place.
It really just comes down to the fact that the game is an agreement between people either way, and the fact that the IA books say they are legal doesn't matter to a whole lot of people who won't play against them. The legality doesn't matter, they just don't play you.

I'll play most of them just fine, given warning and their rules. Just playing devil's advocate.
For a tourney, ask your TO.

probably not.

Scott-S6 wrote:The opponent's permission requirement has been removed since IA:A1 (where they make a point of removing it). IA units require no more "permission" in a normal game than any other units.

The main rulebook states explicitly that you pick an army from a Codex. IA:A1 is not a codex. If you're picking an army from a source not allowed under the 40k ruleset, you're not playing regular 40k, that's all there is to it.

I can write up my super-duper army list and write that it's fine to use in all games, but that doesn't actually make it fine to use in all games...

Gorkamorka wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:The opponent's permission requirement has been removed since IA:A1 (where they make a point of removing it). IA units require no more "permission" in a normal game than any other units.

I'm playing a game against you right now, my 2500 points vs the zero you put on my table. I'm counting it as a win on my permanent record, and you're now on my defeated list as a massacre.
Since apparently you don't need an opponent's permission to play against your list in the first place.

Did you actually read the post? Nowhere did I said that permission was not required to play your list - I said that IA units require no more permission than any other units.


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BearersOfSalvation wrote:The main rulebook states explicitly that you pick an army from a Codex. IA:A1 is not a codex. If you're picking an army from a source not allowed under the 40k ruleset, you're not playing regular 40k, that's all there is to it.

No it does not. The rule book says "the players will pick their forces. The best way to do this is to use the full army lists in the relevant codex book"

Two things are relevant here.

1. Permission by omission doesn't really fly in 40K.

2. "This is a Fast Attack choice in an Ork army" isn't a permission to use the unit at will. It is an information on HOW to use the unit WHEN given permission to use it.

Scott-S6 wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

BearersOfSalvation wrote:The main rulebook states explicitly that you pick an army from a Codex. IA:A1 is not a codex. If you're picking an army from a source not allowed under the 40k ruleset, you're not playing regular 40k, that's all there is to it.

No it does not. The rule book says "the players will pick their forces. The best way to do this is to use the full army lists in the relevant codex book"

it's the best way because of the part of the quote you left out that says you can use any models you have if you don't have a full force yet. no mention is made of supplementary books in the choosing of armies. if you want to use anything else, you have to ask. i personally do allow people to 90% of the time.

Quite so. However, nowhere is it explicitly stated that armies are picked only from codexes as BoS claimed.