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HQ
shas`el
bodygaurd
110pts
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TROOP 1
5x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
markerlight
80pts
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TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
5x shah`la
markerlight
80pts
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HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ DECOY LAUNCHER
195pts
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HEAVY SUPPORT 2
3X BROADSIDE SHAS'VRE
ACUTE SENSORS
LEADER
ALL, SHIELD GENERATOR
LEADER, CYCLIC ION BLASTER
215pts
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HEAVY SUPPORT 3
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+2X GUN DRONES
+2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ DECOY LAUNCHER
195pts
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DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DECOY LAUNCHER
+ DISRUPTION POD
125PTS
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TOTAL: 1000 POINTS

opinions?

Too much heavy support, not enough of everything else. Get rid if either two HHs and keeps the broadside team, or take away a HH and the Broadsides and keep one HH (really depends on what you're up against) and invest the leftover points in a team or two of crisis suits (and maybe more FWs in the two squads). Or, see if you can squeeze in a pathfinder team.

*updated list

HQ
shas`el
bodygarud

110pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 1
11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
markerlight

140pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
11x shah`la
markerlight

140pts
_________________________________________________________
HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ DECOY LAUNCHER

195pts
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ELITE 1
2 Shas'vre
1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Fusion blaster
Targeting array
LEADER
Hard-wired multi-tracker

212PTs
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Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun
2X shas'la

78PTs

AND

DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DECOY LAUNCHER
+ DISRUPTION POD

125PTS
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This looks better^^....i think

why you have target lock on devilfish? also, decoy launchers suck. read the fine print. they are possibly the worst upgrade in the game.

Mfighter8 wrote:shas`el
bodygarud

What wep load out?

Mfighter8 wrote: 11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
markerlight

May as well bond them. Not a big detail.

Mfighter8 wrote:Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ DECOY LAUNCHER

The Target Lock and Multi-Tracker for the GunDrones are really over spending for the lousiness that is GD shooting. StomyDakka is right. Decoy Launchers were good for 4e, but no longer. Most HHs are run thus: BCs, MT, DisPod. I include Target Lock as I like to have the BCs hit infantry while the RG hits tanks.

Seekers? Not worth it IMHO, but I'm not going to adise dumping them.

Mfighter8 wrote:2 Shas'vre 1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Fusion blaster
Targeting array
LEADER
Hard-wired multi-tracker

Not great. Without a MT, the 2nd suit can't fire both guns. Also, the 'vre upgrade isn't worthwhile. The actual gains in Init and WS do nothing versus MEqs. And really, *any* h2h is bad for Crisis Suits, so just go Team Leader if you want him to get a Target Array.

Mfighter8 wrote:Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun

2X shas'la

Mfighter8 wrote:shas`el
bodygarud

What are the loadouts, downgrade the bodyguard to a normal XV8 and save 10pts.

Mfighter8 wrote: 11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
markerlight

Remove the markerlight it can only be fired if your unit stays still and you want a mobile gunline. Saves 10pts and 5pts of it should be spent on a Bonding Knife.

Mfighter8 wrote:Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ DECOY LAUNCHER

Drones do not need target lock. In fact it is nothing other then a waste of points since drones can fire separately anyway and choose different targets.
Saves you some points

Mfighter8 wrote:2 Shas'vre 1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Fusion blaster
Targeting array
LEADER
Hard-wired multi-tracker

This is not a good loadout, either make it TL missile pod,Target array or TL fusion Blaster, target array and remove the leader upgrade and HW multi tracker.
Will save you some points

If you want an effective unit change them to Plasma rifle, Missile Pod, Multitracker.

Mfighter8 wrote:Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun [/size]

It is railrifle, and it is highly advised you remove it. It is better for them not to have a railrifle unless there is a lot of them and the unit is geared towards something different. Think this unit will be busy firing at something the railrifle might actually damage making the rest of the units shots in vain.

Mfighter8 wrote:DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X GUN DRONES
+ 2X SEEKER MISSLES
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ TARGET LOCK
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DECOY LAUNCHER
+ DISRUPTION POD

Target lock are un-needed. Drones can choose there own targets.
Decoy launchers are not said to be worth there points. And I would advise you remove the Seekers they dont come in that handy.

yes. you only have a couple markerlights, so lose the seekers.

Can crisis suits have different weapons to the rest of the squad?



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updated army list

HQ
shas`el
bodygarud
ALL
fusion blaster
shield generator
Target lock
110pts
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TROOP 1
11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
bonding knife

135pts
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TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
11x shah`la
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x burst cannon

170PTS
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ELITE 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod(leader doesnt have one)
Target lock
Targeting array
LEADER
Fusion blaster

171PTS
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Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun
3X shas'la
notes;
all have markerlight , exept the one with the
rail rifle, he has a target lock instead

90PTs
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DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X burst cannon
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD

120PTS
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Mfighter8 wrote:Can crisis suits have different weapons to the rest of the squad?



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updated army list

HQ
shas`el
bodygarud
ALL
fusion blaster
shield generator
Target lock
110pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 1
11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
11x shah`la
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x burst cannon

170PTS
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ELITE 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod(leader doesnt have one)
Target lock
Targeting array
LEADER
Fusion blaster

171PTS
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Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun
3X shas'la
notes;
all have markerlight , exept the one with the
rail rifle, he has a target lock instead

90PTs
________________________________________________________
DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X burst cannon
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD

120PTS
_________________________________________________________

Yeah ma man they can, all 3 hardpoints can be different from each other but it is best to keep the same loadouts to the same units for effectiveness.
They cant work as well like tac marines

HQ
shas`el
bodygarud
ALL
fusion blaster
shield generator
Target lock
110pts

This unit is hugely lacking. Only 1 of them need to have Target Lock -But that is beside the point they only have 1 Fusion Blaster each which is short range meaning they will probably never be shooting separately and anything they do shoot at will be killing them next turn. I would suggest you change the loadout to Pulse Rifle, Fusion Blaster, Shield generator if anything. Secondly I advise that Bodyguard should really be dropped to a XV8, you are paying 10pts for access to something you are not using.

ELITE 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'vre team leader
ALL
Missle pod(leader doesnt have one)
Target lock
Targeting array
LEADER
Fusion blaster
171PTS

So to get this straight, 2 have Missile Pod, Target array and Target Lock. And the Leader just has Fusion Blaster, Target array and Target Lock?
Because if so That only comes to 166pts. (its 161pts if you downgrade the 'vre to Team leader -you lose nothing but gain points which can be used on a Bonding Knife)

Anyway the advice I have here is on the Leader you do not need Target lock. Because the leader chooses to fire at something, the other 2 then get to choose a separate target each due to their target locks. So in a group of 2 you would need 1 Target lock, in a group of 3, 2 target locks.

The Fusion Blaster on this unit is bad choice you want this unit to be a mid range light tank stopper. Having the FB means you have to get in close. Swap the FB out for another Missile Pod. And since you have 1 open hard point on the leader due to not needing Target lock you can make the Missile Pod Twin Linked.

Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
Shas'la with railgun
3X shas'la
notes;
all have markerlight , exept the one with the
rail rifle, he has a target lock instead

90PTs

The team leader upgrade on this unit is uneeded unless you are going to get Bonding Knife.
The railgun is actually a railrifle 36" S6 AP3 weapon. This is a pointless upgrade to have for the unit, you lose 1 markerlight and gain 1 shot AP3 at another unit - it is very ineffective It would be best to keep the markerlight unless you plan to have 3 of the Pathfinders having RailRifles.


That is all the advice I have for you but atm you lack heavily in Anti MEQ (Space marines and that) and if your 1 HH is destroyed you have no more heavy Anti Tank.
Sure the Missile pods can get rid of transports and such but if you face anything that is AV12+ it is game over once that HH is gone it would be probably better to swap it out for 2 Broadside teams (1 in each team) with Shield drone.

*updated
HQ
shas`el
targeting array
shield generator
pulse rifle
100pts
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TROOP 1
11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
11x shah`la
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x burst cannon

170PTS
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HEAVY SUPPORT 2
1 SHAS'UI BROADSIDE
TWIN LINKED RAIL GUN
TWIN LINKED PLASMA RIFLE
80PTS
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ELITE 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'ui team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Target lock(leader doesnt have one)
Targeting array
LEADER
Missle pod/twin linked


167PTS
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Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
3XShas'la with railrifle
leader has markerlight

98PTs
________________________________________________________
DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X burst cannon
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD

120PTS
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shas'el can't have pusle rifle. You can only choose weapons from the battlesuit armoury. Don't use shield gen its expensive. Better to get two shield drones. So you're definitely new with tau i see. I suggest you check out advancedtautactica.com. Great site for tau. They have everything there.

daemon wrote:shas'el can't have pusle rifle. You can only choose weapons from the battlesuit armoury. Don't use shield gen its expensive. Better to get two shield drones. So you're definitely new with tau i see. I suggest you check out advancedtautactica.com. Great site for tau. They have everything there.

He is new remember.
I think he meant Plasma Rifle

HQ
shas`el
targeting array
shield generator
pulse rifle
100pts

This Guy is lacking in fire power. And has an illegal set up. Shield Generator does not take up a hard point specified by the commanders rules.
It would be better to make him: Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster (or Missile Pod), Multi tracker and shield generator. 107pts.

HEAVY SUPPORT 2
1 SHAS'UI BROADSIDE
TWIN LINKED RAIL GUN
TWIN LINKED PLASMA RIFLE
80PTS

It would be better for you to change the TL PF to Leader + HW Drone Controller + Shield Drone
Stops your broadside from being Instakilled and gives him protection.

Elite 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'ui team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Target lock(leader doesnt have one)
Targeting array
LEADER
Missle pod/twin linked
167PTS

The Leader has an Illegal loadout. He needs a 3rd system.
change the unit to this:

Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
3XShas'la with railrifle
leader has markerlight
98PTs

This is a expensive unit especially with only 1 markerlight are you going to use them for AV or Anti-MEQ?

DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X burst cannon
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
120PTS

The DF cannot take 2 Burst cannons. It is only Drones or SMS.
No point in Target arrays if it is just drones.

twin linked takes up 2 points


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twin linked Weapond take up 2 hard points

Mfighter8 wrote:*updated
HQ
shas`el
targeting array
shield generator
pulse rifle
100pts
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ok. I dont personly like shas'el but this guys ok. like someone said, swich out the shield gen for a shield drone, or two if you can find ten points. also try and max out these guys potental. Giving these guys a missile pod and a hard-wired multi tracker means you getting off almost dubble the amount of fire every turn for just 17pts.

Mfighter8 wrote:
TROOP 1
11x Shah'la
1x shah`ui
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________
TROOP 2
1x Shah'ui
11x shah`la
bonding knife

135pts
_________________________________________________________

Its nice to find full squads of fire warriors sadly i always seem to spend all my points in other areas.

Mfighter8 wrote:
HEAVY SUPPORT 1
Hammer head gunship
+ railgun
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD
+ 2x burst cannon

170PTS
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HEAVY SUPPORT 2
1 SHAS'UI BROADSIDE
TWIN LINKED RAIL GUN
TWIN LINKED PLASMA RIFLE
80PTS
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Broadside must have its other hardpoint filled. Targeting array?

the targeting arrays on hammerheads are free you counted in into your total, thats 5pts scored! the dpod and multi are musts so its good yourve got them.

Mfighter8 wrote:
ELITE 1
2 Shas'ui
1 Shas'ui team leader
ALL
Missle pod
Target lock(leader doesnt have one)
Targeting array
LEADER
Missle pod/twin linked


167PTS
________________________________________________________

I find that you shouldent use target locks inside a crisis suit squad often. like i said with the commander, use two difrent weapons or twin link. It really helps. If using two diffent kinds of weapon, forget targeting arrays and use multi-trackers. if not... target locks. the twin link getting you a re roll in the to hit means that a +1 to BS is wasted if you use targeting arrays, and multis dont do anything.

Mfighter8 wrote:
Fast Attack 1
Shas'ui team leader
3XShas'la with railrifle
leader has markerlight

98PTs
________________________________________________________

despite the coolness of railrifles, they are wasted. Markerlights pay for themselfs and are 10pts cheeper. woop!

Mfighter8 wrote:
DEVILFISH TROOP CARRIER
+ BURST CANNON
+ 2X burst cannon
+ TARGETING ARRAY
+ MULTI-TRACKER
+ DISRUPTION POD

120PTS
_________________________________________________________

Sadly, you cant have 3 burst cannons. for all the upgrade tips ive given, you will probly be over budget. down the two bad burst cannons two gun drones, fry the targeting array and youve got fish that can protect troops on the move while still being to not blow up in your face like a 80pt fish.

I personly dont run pathfinders at 1k pts. I spend those pts and others on a second fish to protect my fire warrors.

good lick and have fun

Mfighter8 wrote:twin linked takes up 2 points


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twin linked Weapond take up 2 hard points

I know this, I accounted for it in all my points for you.
Twin Linked Missile pod will take up 2 points but you still need to fill 1 more hard point.
(anything in Battlesuit Wargear does not take up one of the 3 hard points - Only weapons and Support Systems do)

Or are you speaking about something else that I have missed. Be specific if you have.


EDIT: Baws I completely forgot about the Support system needed on the Broadside. Remove the Shield drone idea and replace it with Target Array. (although I think with the changes I made I did save enough points for a shield drone as well...maybe)