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Hi guys... I was on todays tournament in my local store, and I got few disputes:
1. If model was in base contanct with other enemy model, and that model gets assaulted this turn, can it attack the unit that has just assaulted him or does he has to attack the model that it was in base contact that turn... I said that he must (due to brb rules in multiple assault)
2. Warboss is in base contact with 2 models (librarian and marine)... Can he split his attacks between them or does it have to make all attacks against one of them... I say just one
3. Typhoon misslile launcher... If I can trace los from one typhoon (he has one launcher on each side, but it's just one weapon with 2 shots) and not from other, can I still fire it?

1) All Assaults happen at one time. He will declare assaults and then when H2H is resolved, you can attack any unit in H2H contact with any of your units.

2) No, all attacks must be directed at one unit or IC.

3) If you can see any part of the tank model you can fire all available weaons at that model, even if one happens to be blocked by LOS. One weapon on a sponson has LOS the whole Sponson / Turrent has LOS.

Connor McKane wrote:1) All Assaults happen at one time. He will declare assaults and then when H2H is resolved, you can attack any unit in H2H contact with any of your units.

2) No, all attacks must be directed at one unit or IC.

3) If you can see any part of the tank model you can fire all available weaons at that model, even if one happens to be blocked by LOS. One weapon on a sponson has LOS the whole Sponson / Turrent has LOS.

2 is incorrect. A model in BTB with more than 1 unit can split their attacks between them. Page 41 for a picture example.

1 and 3 are correct.

Really? I thought one model could only choose to attack one unit... very interesting.

I guess ya' learn something new everyday.

Its a change from 4th ed, one of many.

Indeed, every day something new
What about first question? Let me quote the brb, p.41, multiple combats, attacking:
"In multiple combat, when it's time for a model to attack, the following extra rules apply:
* Models that were engaged with just one of the enemy units at the beginning of the combat (before any models attacked) must attack that unit
*Models that were engaged with mor than enemy unit at the beginnig of the combat (before any models attacked) may split their attack freely between those units. Declare how you split their attacks immidiately before rolling to hit"

Now I see answer for splitting (don't know how I missed it ) but don't know how to understaind that first rule... is it after or prior move... now that I look at it, it looks after so my point 1 is ignored... Do you agree?

After moves - combat starts when you start swining.

If your interpretation was correct (check the BRB FAQ) then you could not attack *anyone* in the first round of combat. Which doesnt happen...!

Chinchilla wrote:What about first question? Let me quote the brb, p.41, multiple combats, attacking:
"In multiple combat, when it's time for a model to attack, the following extra rules apply:
* Models that were engaged with just one of the enemy units at the beginning of the combat (before any models attacked) must attack that unit
*Models that were engaged with mor than enemy unit at the beginnig of the combat (before any models attacked) may split their attack freely between those units. Declare how you split their attacks immidiately before rolling to hit"

Note that this has been altered slightly by the rulebook FAQ, which clarifies it somewhat by replacing the word 'combat' with 'round of combat'...

What it's referring to is that specific combat, not the close combat phase. You move all of your charging models at the start of the phase. You decide who can attack who at the start of each individual round of combat, not at the start of the phase.

So your unit already in combat is assaulted by a new unit at the start of the close combat phase. When it comes time to resolve that close combat, you follow the bullet points and determine that the unit is engaged to two units, and so those models engaged with both units can attack either or both of them.

insaniak wrote:

Chinchilla wrote:What about first question? Let me quote the brb, p.41, multiple combats, attacking:
"In multiple combat, when it's time for a model to attack, the following extra rules apply:
* Models that were engaged with just one of the enemy units at the beginning of the combat (before any models attacked) must attack that unit
*Models that were engaged with mor than enemy unit at the beginnig of the combat (before any models attacked) may split their attack freely between those units. Declare how you split their attacks immidiately before rolling to hit"

Note that this has been altered slightly by the rulebook FAQ, which clarifies it somewhat by replacing the word 'combat' with 'round of combat'...

What it's referring to is that specific combat, not the close combat phase. You move all of your charging models at the start of the phase. You decide who can attack who at the start of each individual round of combat, not at the start of the phase.

So your unit already in combat is assaulted by a new unit at the start of the close combat phase. When it comes time to resolve that close combat, you follow the bullet points and determine that the unit is engaged to two units, and so those models engaged with both units can attack either or both of them.

I'm a little confused with this. Doesn't that wording basically make the first bullet useless? The way I understood meant if one unit is in assault with another and lets say an IC assaults that same unit after it has been fighting for one assault phase. Can the unit attack this IC and if so, again, doesn't this make the first bullet pointless?

Ok I think I got it sorry about that. I kept thinking about it in terms of units instead of individual models.

Lethargic Ulfur wrote:I'm a little confused with this. Doesn't that wording basically make the first bullet useless?

The new wording doesn't change the meaning, it was just intended to clarify it a little. Again, the 'start of the combat' and the start of the close combat phase are not the same thing.

The way I understood meant if one unit is in assault with another and lets say an IC assaults that same unit after it has been fighting for one assault phase. Can the unit attack this IC and if so, again, doesn't this make the first bullet pointless?

Yes, in that example any of the models engaged with the IC could attack him, as they are engaged with him at the start of the combat.

The first bullet point is more for clarity than adding a new rule... Multiple combats can be messy, so it's a reminder that each individual model can only attack enemy units with which they are themselves engaged.