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I've been looking at the new DE codex, and something struck me as odd. I've tried looking around the forum, but nothing seems to precisely fit this situation.

Say you equip an Archon with a Husk and Djinn Blade. He has 3 Close Combat Weapons, the Husk Blade, the Djinn Blade, and a Splinter Pistol.
Now, in most cases, this would resolve as Multiple Different Special CC Weapons, ie. Pick one, get a bonus attack if you play it that way, and go.
However, the DE codex states that "A Husk/Djinn Blade is a Power Weapon" This would suggest that you could in fact use both as stated under the Two Same Special Close Combat weapon rules.

What interpretation do you all agree with?

I dont have the codex so i couldnt make a call... will be picking one up later...

But does the husk blade have any other differentiating characteristics vs the djinn blade?

The Djinn blade is not a "real weapon" it is more a piese of wargear

It just grants you 2 extra power weapon attacks rolled seperately. It does not give you 3 extra attacks if combined with a splinter pistol or huskblade

So, it sounds like nid's wargear stuff with stacking abilities...

Attacks on the profile, +2 for the djinn blade (separately rolled? at same WS or is there a reason?)

Is this a codex that rolls in the 2 cc weapons into the profile or separate? cause if its separate +1 for the 2cc's...

The Djinn Blade and Husk Blade are both "special CCWs" with different effects. As such, you can only use the special properties of one or the other - they can't be used at the same time, any more than you can use a Thunder Hammer and a Power Weapon at the same time.

Just because they're both treated as power weapons doesn't make them identical from a CCW rules standpoint.

According to the rulebook, your only options are

- "Two of the same special weapon"
- "Two different special weapons"

Both weapons are power weapons with extra rules. Their extra rules are different. Therefore, I'd argue that a Djinn Blade and a Huskblade are "different special weapons" (they are certainly not the same). The rules for 'Two different special weapons" require you to "choose which weapon to use that turn". You may not combine both.

However, you always get the plus one attack, as whichever 'special weapon' you choose to use, you still have a Sokinter Pistol. This attack is not included in the profile already.

ArbitorIan wrote:According to the rulebook, your only options are

- "Two of the same special weapon"
- "Two different special weapons"

Both weapons are power weapons with extra rules. Their extra rules are different. Therefore, I'd argue that a Djinn Blade and a Huskblade are "different special weapons" (they are certainly not the same). The rules for 'Two different special weapons" require you to "choose which weapon to use that turn". You may not combine both.

However, you always get the plus one attack, as whichever 'special weapon' you choose to use, you still have a Sokinter Pistol. This attack is not included in the profile already.

Everything but the red part is correct. This is an EXTREMELY clear example of "You have 2 different special weapons. Choose which to use. Never gain the bonus attack." If you take both a Djinn blade and Huskblade, you cannot gain the bonus attack for fighting with 2 CCWs.

EDIT: OTOH, there's a RAW argument that a model equipped with a Djinn Blade ("the bearer") gains the bonuses of the Djinn blade regardless of whether it is actually used, based on the wording of the wargear. This is a bit unclear however.

Xca|iber wrote:

ArbitorIan wrote:According to the rulebook, your only options are

- "Two of the same special weapon"
- "Two different special weapons"

Both weapons are power weapons with extra rules. Their extra rules are different. Therefore, I'd argue that a Djinn Blade and a Huskblade are "different special weapons" (they are certainly not the same). The rules for 'Two different special weapons" require you to "choose which weapon to use that turn". You may not combine both.

However, you always get the plus one attack, as whichever 'special weapon' you choose to use, you still have a Sokinter Pistol. This attack is not included in the profile already.

Everything but the red part is correct. This is an EXTREMELY clear example of "You have 2 different special weapons. Choose which to use. Never gain the bonus attack." If you take both a Djinn blade and Huskblade, you cannot gain the bonus attack for fighting with 2 CCWs.

EDIT: OTOH, there's a RAW argument that a model equipped with a Djinn Blade ("the bearer") gains the bonuses of the Djinn blade regardless of whether it is actually used, based on the wording of the wargear. This is a bit unclear however.

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Actually the red is correct.

It does not matter how many CCW's you have, it matters which ones you use in CC. Since the rules only cover having exactly 2 CCW's, and there are no rules to cover having 3 CCWs or more. this falls into RAI or House rule area.

Under 'Two different special weapons' p.42 says "... they never get the bonus attack for using two weapons..."

you have to be using 'Two different special weapons' for these rules to have any effect, if you are not using 'Two different special weapons'

then you have to look at what weapons you are using, and use the rules for that set.

At this point you might as well look at the eldrad thread that's already discussing the exact same issue.

... which was locked ...
As mention in the other thread there’s two ways to look at...
1) You never get a bonus attack for have two different special close combat weapons.
2) You can only use two weapons; so you ether get no attacks or you must pick before looking at the list. This would mean that you only use the above rule if you pick two special weapons that are different.
... so that all noted can we lock this one as well?