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Hey Dakka. I have a Rogue Trader tournament coming up in a couple weeks, and I've been testing this list out. I haven't been unhappy with anything in this list, but is there something that I could do better? Also, I know that as of right now, the tourney will consist of 3 IG players, Space Wolves, Necrons, Blood Angels, Tyranids and Daemon Hunters.

HQ
Crisis Suit Commander Shas'el w/ Missile Pod, AFP, Targeting Array, HW Drone Controller, HW Multi Tracker, and 2x Shield Drones - 127 pts

ELITES
2x Crisis Suits w/ Missile Pods, Plasma Rifles and Multi Trackers, Bonded - 129 pts
3x Crisis Suits w/ Plasma Rifles, Fusion Blasters, 2x Multi Trackers, Team Leader w/ Targeting Array, HW Multi Tracker, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones, Bonded - 236 pts
3x Crisis Suits w/ Missile Pods, Burst Cannons, 2x Multi Trackers, Team Leader w/ Targeting Array, HW Multi Tracker, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones, Bonded - 200 pts

TROOPS
6x Fire Warriors - 60 pts
6x Fire Warriors - 60 pts
6x Fire Warriors - 60 pts
13x Kroot - 91 pts
Devilfish w/ Smart Missile System, Multi Tracker, Targeting Array and Disruption Pods - 120 pts

FAST ATTACK
4x Pathfinders - 48 pts
4x Pathfinders - 48 pts
2x Devilfish w/ Smart Missile System, Multi Tracker, Targeting Array and Disruption Pods - 240 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
3x Broadsides w/ 2x Target Lock, Team Leader w/ Multi Tracker, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones, Bonded - 265 pts
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Burst Cannons, Multi Tracker and Disruption Pod - 165 pts

Total: 1849 pts

looks good. Fire warriors should be mechanized though unless ur stealing fish from the pathfinders then thats fine. Whats with shasui on team of 12? for leadership? Otherwise the list is solid. Could use a bit more anti armour weaponry but thats me.

The Fire Warriors will be stealing the Pathfinder's Devilfish. Now that I think about it, the Shas'ui on the Fire Warriors was a leftover from when I had a squad that was footslogging. I'll drop him and give the Pathfinder Devilfish Targeting Arrays. As for anti armor, would you suggest changing up the Crisis Suits? Right now, the MP/PR suits are general support, FB/PR are anti tank/heavy infantry, and BC/MP are anti light infantry infantry

perhaps another broadside to make a 3 man team or another hammerhead.

chupathingy wrote:Hey Dakka. I have a Rogue Trader tournament coming up in a couple weeks, and I've been testing this list out. I haven't been unhappy with anything in this list, but is there something that I could do better? Also, I know that as of right now, the tourney will consist of 3 IG players, Space Wolves, Necrons, Blood Angels, Tyranids and Daemon Hunters.

HQ
Crisis Suit Commander Shas'el w/ Missile Pod, Plasma Rifle, Targeting Array, HW Drone Controller, HW Multi Tracker, and 2x Shield Drones - 127 pts

ELITES
2x Crisis Suits w/ Missile Pods, Plasma Rifles and Multi Trackers - 124 pts
3x Crisis Suits w/ Plasma Rifles, Fusion Blasters, 2x Multi Trackers, Team Leader w/ Targeting Array, HW Multi Tracker, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones - 231 pts
3x Crisis Suits w/ Missile Pods, Burst Cannons, 2x Multi Trackers, Team Leader w/ Targeting Array, HW Multi Tracker, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones - 195 pts

TROOPS
8x Fire Warriors - 80 pts
8x Fire Warriors - 80 pts
8x Fire Warriors - 80 pts
13x Kroot - 91 pts
Devilfish w/ Smart Missile System, Multi Tracker, Targeting Array and Disruption Pods - 120 pts

FAST ATTACK
4x Pathfinders - 48 pts
4x Pathfinders - 48 pts
2x Devilfish w/ Smart Missile System, Multi Tracker, Targeting Array and Disruption Pods - 240 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
2x Broadsides w/ Advanced Stabilization Systems, Team Leader w/ HW Target Lock, HW Drone Controller and 2x Shield Drones - 200 pts
Hammerhead w/ Railgun, Smart Missile System, Multi Tracker, Disruption Pod and Target Lock - 180 pts

Total: 1849 pts

I really really like this list I wouldn't really change anything - maybe the commander. I would lose 1 Kroot for Airbursting Fargement Projector instead of the MP (12 points from MP, 7 from kroot, 1pt from the 1pt spare in the total) Would of picked the CIB instead but you said there will be 3 IG players and 1 template can hit a lot more ground troops -Unless its mech IG then take CIB.

But I have 2 major concerns that are the same issue.

The broadsides. 2 shield drones die and 1 broadside instakilled and you risk the other broadside walking off the board. (and unable to fire its railgun when running)
The 2, 3 man crisis suits have the same problem but they risk 2 suits walking off the board due to lack of Bonding Knifes. Kill 2 shields and 1 battlesuit and that could be it.
And a 2 man team is a pretty heavy thing to lose.

There is an easy to do fix (although annoying). Remove 1 shield drone, gets you the 15pts you need for 3 bonding knifes. - I advise you take it from the helios unit. Lowers VP and they are the most hardy and survivable out the suits.

Remove 1 shield drone, gets you the 15pts you need for 3 bonding knifes. - I advise you take it from the helios unit. Lowers VP and they are the most hardy and survivable out the suits.

I normally have good luck with my suits surviving, but I suppose it's better to be prepared for anything. As for the dropping of a Kroot, they have a survivability problem. The reason I'm running 13 instead of 12 is because it forces my opponent to kill 5 instead of 4 of them. I feel like dropping one would cause more problems than its points would solve, although I may test this out.

chupathingy wrote:

Remove 1 shield drone, gets you the 15pts you need for 3 bonding knifes. - I advise you take it from the helios unit. Lowers VP and they are the most hardy and survivable out the suits.

I normally have good luck with my suits surviving, but I suppose it's better to be prepared for anything. As for the dropping of a Kroot, they have a survivability problem. The reason I'm running 13 instead of 12 is because it forces my opponent to kill 5 instead of 4 of them. I feel like dropping one would cause more problems than its points would solve, although I may test this out.

I honestly didnt check the kroot I just though people usually take 10 kroot and 2 hounds, so I though 1 kroot can be removed.
Also your opponent would need to kill 7 in a 13 unit team to get them to below 50% which is the same as a 12 man team. Or are you speaking of something different?

I meant that they will need to kill 5 Kroot to force a leadership test. Also, the Kroot hounds would be a nice addition if I had the models

Oh yeah. Good point...

It was just a preference thing anyway. Just through the Pie plate could massacre some IG
Although its Anti-MEQ you are worrying about isnt it?
If so You shouldn't worry. you have some decent Anti-MEQ they MP/PR will do some good as support for the Helios if they are not firing at Transports. The anti Infantry will force wounds.

Anyway It is a good list Best of luck to you in the tournament.

Thanks raven. What I'm worried the most about is heavy armor (Land Raiders in particular). I realize I have 3 Railguns on the table, but for some reason I always whiff on armor 14...My dice just seem to abandon me. I'll most likely post a quick report about the tournament when it's over. Hopefully I'll do better than last time.

Biggest advice I have for you. Ignore the LR until the transports for terminators/assault squads are dead.

If you cant bring yourself to ignore it completely. hit it with the HH. It will make the opponent worry more about it then the 2 broadsides or at least blind-sight them if it gets any result.

Problem is, I know the Daemon Hunters player has 2, and most of his army is gonna be inside them. Last time I played him, 10 railgun shots did nothing, and he trundled right over me

Ohhh Daemon Hunters I read that as just Daemons.

Well if they have Troops in them, pick the biggest baddest CC unit in one of them and fire at it till they are nothing but dust

That's the plan...now it's just a matter of having my dice not fail me like they usually do

I assume you plan on conceding if you face Nids or Orks in the tournament?

Why only 1 Hammerhead? 1 tank is never a good idea at any points value over 1000. You need 2 for duel threat and redundancy.

You need more Kroot to bubble wrap from first turn assaulting armies. But you don't need as many FWs as you have. Drop 1 squad and drop the other 2 squads to 6 man. You should have enough points for 2 units of Kroot with 5 hounds each.

I'd give the Commander an AFP for the plasma rifle between the fireknives and Helios you should have heavy infantry covered.

I'd dump the Broadsides for a 2nd Hammerhead. But then you need to think where your going to get your heavy AT because even with the Broadsides you are struggling. You've very little to threaten even 1 Landraider, if you face Duel raider (very possible at this point level particularly with BA in the mix) you've no chance of stopping them reaching your lines.

If you follow the suggestion above for the FWs you can drop a warfish and maybe drop the other 2 Warfish down to disruptionfish and that should give you enough to bring back the Broadside team.

At the moment you have no defence against horde, little ranged AT against heavy tanks and no method of dealing with turn 1 assaulting armies and at Tournaments these are the things you're going to be up against.

I like the list, but I think not maxing out on Railgun platforms is a mistake at 1850. You only have three, and five is about the minimum IMO.

Do you know the RTT's missions? If they are the kind that have secondary and tertiary objectives, then upgrading to Shas'O and giving him a Shield Gen might make the difference in the larger scheme of things.

Frequently, a surviving HQ adds to your game score and toughening him up helps. It's pricey and takes away from some place, but he might need that Shield Gen and extra wound to survive.

Then again, if it's just RB missions, just disregard this.

Alright. I've taken a second look, and tried to change it as much as I could to match suggestions. I added a Broadside, reduced the FW to 6 man squads and gave the Shas'el the AFP. The 3 Broadsides and Hammerhead are as many railguns as I can muster, so hopefully that'll be enough.

I do have 1 issue with this list and you may be able to suss it out.

BK on broadside lol. I fear having my broadsides walking away.
But it is a good list and again wish you the best.

I actually paid to have them bonded, but I forgot to include it in the list. Thanks for the catch

So, a couple things I've learned about the tournament;
1) Three new entrants have been added; Tau, Khorne Undivided, and Space Wolves, which I know are going to be a Longfang spam as he won the last tournament I went to here.
2) We're using the Adepticon 2010 scenarios. Which means
Game 1: Pitched Battle
Primary (Annihilation)
Secondary (Elimination - Troops)
Tertiary (Victory Points - 250 more than your opponent)

Game 2: Modified Dawn of War
Primary (Seize Ground - Every piece of terrain is an objective)
Secondary (Elimination - HQ)
Tertiary (Victory Points - 500 more than your opponent)

Game 3: Spearhead
Primary (Capture and Control - Alpha and Beta objectives)
Secondary (Battlefield Control - Have a unit in every table quarter by the end of the game)
Tertiary (Victory Points - 750 more than your opponent)

Space Wolves, which I know are going to be a Longfang spam

At this points level, there aren't many SWolves players who won't shove in 3x 6 LFs w/ 5MLs, they're just too go not to take which is a huge problem for other armies.

I would try not to worry about him. Chances are that he's going to rip most people a new one, so I wouldn't bother trying to tailor anything against it, and would stick to tackling the other armies.

As for the list itself, i'm not sold on SMS or the Target lock for the hammerhead. You want it at near enough max range, which means you're not going to be using your secondary weapons much. I'd strip it down to just burst cannons and leave it at that, leaving you 15pts for a second shield drone on your PR/FB Crisis team.

Thanks for the suggestion Avatar. It makes more sense than what I was doing. I've updated the list to reflect this. Also, there are going to be 11 other players at this tournament, so hopefully I won't have to worry about playing Space Wolves

Took 9th out of 12, somehow, and I actually won a game...it was a better showing than my last tournament

chupathingy wrote:Took 9th out of 12, somehow, and I actually won a game...it was a better showing than my last tournament

Was it speed? BAs? Who'd you face? I put in a poor performance today, as well.

I got tabled by Polonius first round, took 4 of a possible 45 second round, and took 31 out of 45 third round against Necrons

So during the tournament what did you think you needed more of ?

Maybe another railgun, but I felt I had a nice balance. When I got tabled, alpha striking valkyries destroyed my broadsides and hammerhead, and a lucky kill against necrons caused them to fall back off the table. I guess the only way that could've changed was if I had another hammerhead to split fire even more.