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Does anyone have any information about true daemons of Chaos Undevided? I'm not talking about daemons of the differant gods who are working together I'm talking about daemons that serve no god but instead chaos as a whole.

I know that Chaos Furies are a type of daemon and it is believed that they are the souls of those who tried to use Chaos for their own advantage and didn't swear allegiance to a god so when
they died their souls are unclaimed.

So if someone wanted to make an actuall army of daemons undevided or apart of his army into one could he just say that like the Furies they are the spirits of those who sought to use chaos but did not chose allegiance to one god but unlike the Furies some held enough power in life that they took differant forms as daemons?

Does anyone have any referance material or sources discussing these daemons? Or maybe an actual army someone has made?

Isn't Choas UN-divided the whole pantheon?

Like worshipping them all equally?

Or was it choas undecided....

There are mortals who worship Chaos Undevided as in they worship the whole pantheon as aspects of one greater being or simply Chaos in it's true form.

But there are daemons that do not belong under the rule of one god (as I said before Chaos Furies) and are formed from the essence of pure chaos. That is what I am talking about and wanting to know if anyone has any information on.

Do you mean the general denizens of the warp?
Or daemons? Because i think the daemons are just the manifestations of a chaos gods will...
I could be wrong though.

There are no Daemons of undivided apart from furies , other daemons are just those of lesser gods (im using clanrats) in chaos marine armies you could use many diffrent models to represent lesser Daemons of lesser gods.

Actual daemons. There are daemons that are unafiliated with the gods, if you look up Chaos Furies on Lexicanum (I know not the best source) it says they are daemons of Chaos Undevided. And it's the same principle of a Chaos Marine who worships chaos undevided ascending to daemonhood, he is a daemon who isn't under the controle of one god but serves all of chaos.


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blood reaper wrote:There are no Daemons of undivided apart from furies

Do you have a source for this?

Soul Grinders have no allegiance to the four gods.

Edit- Ninja'd

Iur_tae_mont wrote:Edit- Ninja'd

Sucks doesn't it?

Actually don't the soul grinders serve a god but they swear an oath to the daemon smiths that if they are called upon they will serve the smiths over their own gods?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Actually don't the soul grinders serve a god but they swear an oath to the daemon smiths that if they are called upon they will serve the smiths over their own gods?

Doesn't mean they owe a particular god alliegance they just feel like serving one.

Right. The Soul Grinders might serve a god, but they owe their allegiance to none of them-- only to the soul forge.

Undivided means Chaos as a force, is there a god of undivied ? no there is no main god of undivided. If you mean representing undivided Furies and soulgrinders are your best option.

Ok so then that supports the idea of daemons undevided because they have to fight for the right to become a daemon engine prior to actually becoming one which means that prior to becoming a soul grinder they have no allegiance to one god but all of chaos.

So we've got Furies, Soul Grinders and Undevided Daemon Princes. Anything else?

The reason I'm asking for information is I was telling a friend about my ideas for themed apocalypse allies and he really likes the idea and wants to do it with his Undevided Chaos Marines and Tyranids where he will represent certain Tyranids as daemons (we're taking alot of inspiration for the Darksiders game) but he wants them to be daemons from pure chaos not any of the gods.

what is Ninja'd?

Shenra wrote:what is Ninja'd?

When someone posts something i.e. an answer just before you do.
And i bet someones done it to me.


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Awesome no one ninja'd me
Happy Purplefood.

It's when you go to say something but someone says the same thing faster then you do.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:It's when you go to say something but someone says the same thing faster then you do.

Like this^

See. Purplefood just ninja'd me


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And it happend again . Anyway off ninjaing back to daemons.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:See. Purplefood just ninja'd me


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And it happend again . Anyway off ninjaing back to daemons.

Sorry about that
It was just too perfect.

blood reaper wrote:Undivided means Chaos as a force, is there a god of undivided ? no there is no main god of undivided. If you mean representing undivided Furies and soulgrinders are your
best option.

The existance of Furies, Soul Grinders and Udivided Daemon Princes proves that a god isn't needed in order for a daemon to exist but can instead serve and have allegiance to Chaos in its greatest form which is Chaos Undivided. And in the definition of Chaos Undivided it says that some worship Chaos as a god in itself with the 4 gods simply being differant parts of that one god. So yes there is a god of Undivided, chaos itself.

There's plenty of daemons whom have allegiance to no gods, and only to themselves and their own purposes. They're described in the various Dark Heresy books.

Similarly, there's other warp creatures, such as Enslavers, whom care nothing for the powers of chaos.k

And isn't there a area of the warp where none of the gods hold sway? If I remember right Greater Daemons and Daemon princes create their own realms in this area. So if one of these daemons can create their own realm would it be to far fetched to say that they've created their own daemons?

It would be dangerous to be an undivided daemon since it would have no protection from other factions.


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Although, if the daemon is strong enough it could protect itself.

Or it would have the protection of the daemon that created it in turn, or the other daemons created alongside it

Or simply due to obscurity.

I imagine it's dangerous to be a daemon anyway.

But then that brings up the question. If Daemons die in the real world they'll just reform back in the warp and reform later. But is there any actual fluff that says what happens when a daemon is killed in the warp by another daemon?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Ok so then that supports the idea of daemons undevided because they have to fight for the right to become a daemon engine prior to actually becoming one which means that prior to becoming a soul grinder they have no allegiance to one god but all of chaos.

So we've got Furies, Soul Grinders and Undevided Daemon Princes. Anything else?

The reason I'm asking for information is I was telling a friend about my ideas for themed apocalypse allies and he really likes the idea and wants to do it with his Undevided Chaos Marines and Tyranids where he will represent certain Tyranids as daemons (we're taking alot of inspiration for the Darksiders game) but he wants them to be daemons from pure chaos not any of the gods.

I'd add in spawn to that.


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Remember demons are really just temporarily sentient/semi sentient warp energy, they ebb and flow with emotions. Think competing hurricanes and weather systems that contiinuously form and reform tornadoes.

Well I know what daemons are but Spawn aren't daemons they're just beings that have been gifted with too many mutations and have gone insane? So I'm not sure how they are a true daemon of Chaos Undevided when they aren't even daemons?

When a daemon is killed by another daemon in the warp, the victor consumes the energy of the loser, erasing it from existence.