Proxies/Fakes/Recasts

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**masterm**

I am a new casual warhammer player and I find myself constantly breaking these plastic warhammer figures. Does anyone have any information on making fake recasts of them so I do not have to keep trying to glue pieces back together? preferably some way to make it with metal so they wont break.

**PraetorDave**

I don't know about the illegal castings, but I personally have never broken a model I have glued. You might want to try being a little more gentle with your models, or try using more/less glue, or a different kind of glue

**masterm**

I wouldnt think theyd be illegal for personal use, but anyways its not the glue thats breaking its the damned little pieces that hang off of the guns and the tips of things and such. i drop em on the floor or something and next thing i know i got an ugly figure.

**Breotan**

Regardless of legality, the costs involved in casting would be far more expensive than simply learning to take care of your figures. Another problem is that most casting loses detail, sometimes quite significantly.

**masterm**

StarGate wrote:I have to disagree with Breotan on cost... I spend 90 dollars for just 6 figures( warriors and ravagers),
then i went out and bought me a simple casting kit. which coast me 60 dollars.
Made myself 30 warriors for 15 ravagers for 60 dollars.( im a experience cast use to do it for a living so i know what im doing but... i helped out novice casters and they end up making about half the stuff i do the first time. I mean buy GW stuff its great but , the modeling i do i need lots of extra parts.

As for durablity, i can drop my vemonthropes from ten ft. and they will bounce if they hit there lash whips , and nuthing broken... ( but on the other hand when my cats like too play with my fex, i find that my talons and deveorers are chewed..... silly cats)

what types of materials do you use that are so resistant? do you have any guides or places to start?

**Element206**

masterm wrote:I am a new casual warhammer player and I find myself constantly breaking these plastic warhammer figures. Does anyone have any information on making fake recasts of them so I do not have to keep trying to glue pieces back together? preferably some way to make it with metal so they wont break.

-- maybe you should ask yourself 'what is causing you to violently throw your characters around on the battlefield to the point where they are breaking?" -- because im also curious to know. these are models, not baseballs -- they shouldnt be taking a beating, there just playing pieces

**micahaphone**

GW IP policy sez no casting allowed, whatsoevery.

**masterm**

micahaphone wrote:GW IP policy sez no casting allowed, whatsoevery.

Im not looking to turn this into a debate about the morality of what I want to do. maybe if all of gws models were metal i wouldnt have this problem.

**gazelle**

Almost everything GW makes has been produced in metal... check E-bay or other online retailers.

**DarknessEternal**

Metal figures are more delicate than plastic ones.

Plastic, when glued properly, fuses together to form one piece. It only breaks if you're exerting enough force to actually break the plastic regardless of its arrangement.

Metal doesn't have that quality. Glued joints on metal will break with any sharp impact, or even just age as the glue breaks down.

**Brother SRM**

How are you constantly breaking your models? Are you rolling big brass dice too close to them? Do you punish them for failing armor saves? Honestly there's not a really good reason I can think of for models constantly breaking.

If they're plastic then you're just clumsy. If they're metal, then you should look into pinning them.

**Gijouhei**

Agreed - plastic models if glued together properly with poly cement or something akin to that should never break without significant force being applied. In over a decade of model making I've never managed to break a plastic model "accidently" - even when trodden on.

Metal models on the other hand, unless pinned, can be very very fragile depending on contact surfaces and glue used etc. Actually, even when they're pinned they're still a lot easier to damage than a plastic model, not to mention deforming things like swords, spears, polearms, basically anything that pokes out that isn't broad in some form.

If you're breaking your plastic models you're not using the right glue or you're being far far too rough with them (to the point of rage issues).

**Smarteye**

I think the main problem is your storage method, what do you do with them if your not using them?

**masterm**

Smarteye wrote:I think the main problem is your storage method, what do you do with them if your not using them?

I put them in a blue rubbermaid. it could be the cause of some of the problems but majority of the time i see em breaking when i drop them.

**-Loki-**

Blue rubbermaid? All I get from googling that are dish racks and things like tupperware containers.

Store them in foam. Preferably something like this:

**revackey**

Rubbermaid I would assume is Tupperwear.

I guarantee you that is your problem, when they shake around in there, even if they don't break, the bonds will loosen, and little parts may bend.

Buy some foam, cut slots in it, put it in a cardboard box. Thats the most cost effective way of storing in my opinion.

(No debate on that please.)

**chromedog**

I'm assuming you mean Tupperware(tm).

Otherwise, tupperware is clothing for cheap hookers.
(A 'tupper' was a prozzie in ye olde england days.)

Foam trays stacked into a case should prevent most damage issues. If you are treating your minis as just a 'barrel of mon'keighs' then you deserve to break them all.

**asimo77**

Green stuff can be handy for recreating small bitz and sometimes sticking some things together by closing gaps. I'd imagine it would be easier than pinning but I'm no expert.

Also tupperware is fine, I use it all the time and have had no accidents (plastic and metal models) Also if I have those foam pads that are in blister packs lying around I throw em in too.

**General Seric**

I use a plastic box with separate compartments for each figure, and have only had one figure lose an arm (too little glue on joint).
I think you just need to be more careful with your minis.

**Frazzled**

I would close thread as the OP's query is not appropriate for Dakka, but it has shifted to good storage techniques which are always helpful. Thread Saved!

**Silent_Spectre**

As I posted in a previous thread:

It is illegal to make copies of miniatures that you DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT TO. Period.

None of this "it's just for personal use", any unauthorised reproduction of an article you do not personally hold the copyright to can lead to prosecution in a court of law. There are some exemptions to this, however, I seriously doubt that the OP is considering making copies of existing minis under these exemptions.

(source: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/cdpact1988.pdf)

If anyone was illegally recasting my miniatures, I would have them punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Stuart

**Kilkrazy**

To add to the above, polyurethane resin for casting is more brittle than the polystyrene used for normal models and will take more damage when dropped on the floor.

The best way to avoid damage to figures is to handle and store them with a bit of care.

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To add to the above, polyurethane resin for casting is more brittle than the polystyrene used for normal models and will take more damage when dropped on the floor.

The best way to avoid damage to figures is to handle and store them with a bit of care.

**Tek**

Got a page number, internet lawyer?

**Maenus_Rajhana**

As a side note, if you're finding foam too expensive, egg cartons can be a surprisingly decent way to store & transport your models. Definitely not an optimal solution, but a good starting point for the cheap gamer.

**Lycaeus Wrex**

Silent_Spectre wrote:As I posted in a previous thread:

It is illegal to make copies of miniatures that you DO NOT OWN THE COPYRIGHT TO. Period.

None of this "it's just for personal use", any unauthorised reproduction of an article you do not personally hold the copyright to can lead to prosecution in a court of law. There are some exemptions to this, however, I seriously doubt that the OP is considering making copies of existing minis under these exemptions.

If anyone was illegally recasting my miniatures, I would have them punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Good for you. I'm glad that your moral obligations are intact by defending gigantic MNCs from the oh-so-very dangerous and business-destroying personal user.

GW is a big boy. It doesn't need you sticking up for it.

L. Wrex

**MagickalMemories**

micahaphone wrote:GW IP policy sez no casting allowed, whatsoevery.

Quoting GW's IP policy means little more than nothing.
If they thought they could get away with it, their IP policy would probably say that you aren't even allowed to play their games in the privacy of your own home if any models are not GW.

Their policy isn't based on legality as much as it is hopefull thinking on their part.

Eric

**Kilkrazy**

All right thinking citizens should uphold the law unless it is unjust.

Tek wrote:Got a page number, internet lawyer?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Copyright

I am locking the thread as it is seems to be an attempt to get info about recasting figures.

This is against Dakka policy.

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