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HQ:

The Swarmlord: 280 points.

Elites:

5 Ymgarl Genestealers: 115 points.

5 Ymgarl Genestealers: 115 points.

Deathleaper: 140 points.

Troops:

8 Genestealers with Scything Talons, 1 Broodlord with Scything Talons: 190 points.

8 Genestealers with Scything Talons, 1 Broodlord with Scything Talons: 190 points.

20 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs: 160 points.

20 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs: 160 points.

5 Tyranid Warriors with Lash Whips + Boneswords and Adrenal Glands, in a Mycetic Spore: 290 points.

5 Tyranid Warriors with Lash Whips + Boneswords and Adrenal Glands, in a Mycetic Spore: 290 points.

Heavy Support:

1 Carnifex with Bio-Plasma and Adrenal Glands: 190 points.

1 Carnifex with Bio-Plasma and Adrenal Glands: 190 points.

1 Carnifex with Bio-Plasma and Adrenal Glands: 190 points.

Please, don't bombard me with Carnifex hate. Before you even THINK about saying "Carnifexes suck, get Trygons", ask yourself this:

Does the Trygon have Strength 9 (Or, in this case, 10 on the charge) and the option for a 12" Plasma Cannon that doesn't get hot?

Initial impression: Don't like it.

Swarmlord with no guard means he gets no cover save. At 2.5k you only start with 4 MC's on the table...and all designed for cc. You are gonna be running forwards into a hail of missiles, plasma etc with only 17 T6 wounds on the table. There's no messing with your opponents target priority. You are saying to your opponent "shoot your heavy weapons at the big dudes and the small guns at my little guys". A lot of stuff is gonna die FAST.

I like trygons better for DS and cc purposes. If you wanna take fexes give them devourers and take a single brood. That way you have a 24" threat range and you aren't running headlong into Jaws or the other stuff mentioned above. It's a big threat. And it's the same price as what your fexes are currently costing. 36 TL S6 shots a turn anyone?

Warriors are a waste of points. By turn 2 most of your big stuff is gonna be fried and then your warriors get hit by pie plates and all other manner of S8+ weaponry. They aren't gonna make it to cc.

Hormagaunts are trash compared to gargoyles. Goyles are faster, get upgrades cheaper and provide better cover (wings can give cover to MC's IF deployed properly). Granted they don't score, but that's a bonus in my book. Non-scoring units that aren't MC's tend to get ignored more than scoring units.

Stealers are fine except for the scything talons. 3 points are better spent on poison, though I prefer to leave mine naked to get points elsewhere.

I like ymgarls, but I feel with this list they aren't gonna do anything meaningful. You will likely be facing mech (in a competitive environment) meaning the ymgarls are your only source of anti transport until turn 3. I.e, they aren't munching the contents. I prefer to use them in conjunction with zoanthropes or hive guard so the contents are already out of their transports when they are about to strike.

Deathleaper is good psychic defense, but I just feel this list doesn't "click". I can't see or feel the synergy. It looks like a hodgepog put together trying to get near the enemy and hoping for the best.

If you want a mixd list try running some units that work well together and then have some surprises come out to cripple close range high powered firepower.

Swarmlord with guard
Ymgarls
Zoanthropes
Hive guard
Genestealers
Genestealers
Gaunts
Gaunts
Tervigon
Tervigon
Goyles
Goyles
Carnifex brood w/ devourers
Trygon (prime if points allow)
Trygon (prime if points allow)

Good luck...numbers are up to you.

Squigsquasher, ignore this guy, he wants you to field what basically amounts to a standard cookie-cutter internet list that requires no real thought process to design.

I play a very similar list, all cc, but I use shrikes in place of troop warriors(With a list like this, you need to make your opponent make a choice: Does he target the 'heavy hitters' I.E. - the slow moving carnifexes and monstrous creatures making their way up the field? Or does he target the 'quick hitters' the swarm of 27 Tyranid Warriors flying right towards his units? He basically has to pick one or the other, and the one he doesn't pick will usually destroy him).

In this case, I must agree with Lukus that I don't think the Warriors will do you much good. I would spring for Shrikes. For 15 points less you get the same unit (minus the mycetic spore), but since they have wings, they can (? was that ever FAQ'd) deepstrike on their own. In any case, they will be able to move much faster than the warriors can, and don't have to rely on surviving a turn of shooting the turn they drop.

I think I did mention that my post was reliant on a competitive environment. If you are playing for fun, go nuts. Heck, I even try out warriors once in a while.


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Oh and I probably had it in my mind that since it was 2.5k it was for 'ardboyz.

Like I said, if you are playing for fun, use whatever suits you. But if you want to fine tune your list I would suggest taking some of the suggestions. Shrikes are good as they pose a threat early on and if you have enough of them they take a lot of S8 away from your MCs.

I just play for fun. I don't think I'll ever get the chance to play in a tournament.


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And, in any case, I wouldn't use Tervigons. I would only use them in a Planetstrike game where I was defender.

Anyone else have their opinions on this list?


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Come on! Someone post!

Well... firstly... The reason Carnifex hate exists in 5th edition is because it is I1, does not have fleet, and has 4 wounds. It dies before it does anything. Its S9 realy only actually scared the monolith, wich is a common tactic to ignore. Trygons have fleet, 6 wounds, and 7 attacks on the charge with S6 + 2D6 for armour pen, allong with rerolls to hit on all of those 4's if you are up against a moving vehicle. The Trygon also has a ranged weapon assault6 S6... (or 12 if prime). The Trygon might actually do something durring the game for its points. Now, these are the reasons there is Carnifex hate... its because it got a major tone down.

If you are running a Fex, maybe drop one of them and put in a Prime. Because the fex is able to come in broods, the prime is allowed to join it, giving the fex 3 extra wounds and more access to cover.

I do agree that a Tervagan would be a good idea... fun even. Just imagin you get lucky and make a kanga line of gants! Just epic! A never ending swarm of S3 I4 gants with Counter-attack, furious charge, poison 4+, Feel no pain, and rerolls to wound on the charge against models T4 or less (due to the rules for poison) Fully buffed gants are even more amazing adding a venomthrope to allow dangerous terrain tests against opponents who charge in, lowering their I to 1, and a Tyrant to give them rerolls to hit in CC due to old adversary.

In terms of fun you list looks great. I am not fond of the close combat warriors being in a spore... but that is up to you I guess.

--- Just a note on the deathleaper: This is a shock attack list so i guess it could work... but seriously, it wont do much all game. It has to start in reserve, comes in on turn 2... maybe... and its abilities don't apply until turn 3, along with its inability to do anything but shoot on turn 2... and it will probably be dead unless you possition it out of los... or make your opponent consentrate on something else.