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Hi, everyone!

I had a question concerning the Chaos gods... or, well.. it involves them but not nessacarily about them. I know that it was the eldar that brought about the birth of slaanesh, and the creation of the Eye of Terror.. but, what about the other three chaos gods?

I can't imagine that the birth of any chaos god would go by unnoticed.. so why is there only one Eye? Or was it just her/his/it's birth that finally created the eye of terror and the other three were cracking away at the fabric with each birth?

Any help in getting to know the universe a little better is appreciated

Dunno.
Maybe they were born slower.
I think it might have something to do with the fact that Slannesh ate most of the Eldar Empire in 1 go. That many souls into the warp at once and also most of them psykers or psychically attuned.
It would create a massive rip between the fabric of the warp and the materium that obviously doesn't close.


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I think it might have to do with how fast Slaanesh was created. I always assumed that his/her birth was (relatively) faster than the others, who took a while to coalesce in the warp.

The warp entities existed before any other lifeforms in the galaxy did, but they weren't malicious. The war between the Old Ones and the Necrontyr changed them into what they are now. Pretty much the Old Ones are responsible entirely for every bad thing to do with the warp. They created the Eldar and even the Humans as well (or a race that evolved into them).

asimo77 wrote:I think it might have to do with how fast Slaanesh was created. I always assumed that his/her birth was (relatively) faster than the others, who took a while to coalesce in the warp.

This. The Eldar being a very strong psychic race falling into debauchery and dark arts fuelled Slaaneshes growth so fast that when it/he/she was strong enough the birth screams killed most of the eldar race and sucked their empire into the warp.

And that is where eye of terrors come from .

Lexx wrote:

asimo77 wrote:I think it might have to do with how fast Slaanesh was created. I always assumed that his/her birth was (relatively) faster than the others, who took a while to coalesce in the warp.

This. The Eldar being a very strong psychic race falling into debauchery and dark arts fuelled Slaaneshes growth so fast that when it/he/she was strong enough the birth screams killed most of the eldar race and sucked their empire into the warp.

And that is where eye of terrors come from .

this seems to be the most logical explanation, the other Gods are far older and were created by the culmination of all the races in the galaxy scheming, killing, and dying. whereas a single race, the Eldar, resulted in the creation of a fourth God, thats powerful stuff when one races actions bring about the birth of a God, thus the resulting catastrophic nature of Slaanesh's birth.

Yeah, the other three gods are far older and sort of 'coalesced' as more and more life forms were born. The basic idea is that humans caused all the problems, since they have a rudimentary psychic presence AND there are billions of them. When there weren't many psychic lifeforms in the galaxy, the warp was calm. It grew 'sentient' as more and more emotion coalesced and the first three Gods slowly formed from natural animalistic processes (change, decay, violence).

Slaanesh, on the other hand, was formed from more advanced emotions (lust, ambition, pride, desire), and was formed a lot more quickly in a very specific area of space.

The eye is what was once the heart of the eldar nation, meaning that it was ground zero for Slaaneshes' birth.

I always was curious about the Maelstrom....it's the 2nd largest hole in reality type thing in the Galaxy....seems a little to convenient to pass up.

But I think that the others have it spot on. The 3 other Chaos gods slowly came into being over thousands and thousands of years, so their births were relatively gentle. Slaanesh, on the other hand, not only absorbed the enitre heart of the Eldar empire, but also fought and destroyed the Eldar pantheon as well. That level of conflict no doubt contributed to the Eye being such a huge thing.

the other 3 chaos gods were created in the far distant past.

War, disease, and sorcery are all features of sentient races. Pleasure is as well, but it likely wasn't as huge as the other 3 untill the Eldar(who were unique in that they were all psykers) began to fall to depravity.

Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeench were all created over time by multiple races long since forgotten.

Slanessh was the result of a combination that was very bad. a race that is completely Psychic, morally depraved, and there is lots of them. it was the unique combo of these 3 things that created Slanessh.

Slanessh's birth wouldn't have been so violent, or may not have taken place at all, if 1 or more of these variables had been removed.

I guess everyone gets a little violent, a little schemingy and a bit sick. But only Eldar could get into that real hardcore depraved pleasure that brought on slaanesh. just didnt do it.
Khorne, tzeentch and nurgle were made by lots of little drips going down a funnel into a container. Slaanesh was a big gushing pulsing flow that knocked the funnel off and shattered the container (the container been what became the eye of terror).

Nurgle I think was possibly as a result of the War in Heaven because before this the Eldar knew no death or sickness. Could be the start at least ...

This is from THE BIRTH OF FEAR

But victory came at a price. Shards of the Yngir's flesh, driven deep into Khaine's body by the cataclysmic demise of his foe, melted in the fires of the War God's wrath. The silver poison flowed into his bloodstream, forever tainting his physical incarnation with the aspect of the Reaper.

Kaelis Ra cannot truly die, for it is death incarnate. Raging at its defeat, its quintessence howled throughout space, entering every one of the Eldar race and cursing them with the terror of the grave. Thus it was that the seed of the Eldar's downfall was sown, and ultimately, the way of reincarnation was closed to them forever.

I always thought that it was the Nightbringer that Khaine defeated, and gained the Aspect of the Reaper from. The text could also be referring to the Nightbringer instilling fear of death into every living creature, instead of the birth of Nurgle.

As I recall, Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch came into being around the Middle Ages. The War in Heaven is a bit too early for their birth. Maybe for the first seeds of their existence...but not their birth.

ChrisWWII wrote:I always thought that it was the Nightbringer that Khaine defeated, and gained the Aspect of the Reaper from. The text could also be referring to the Nightbringer instilling fear of death into every living creature, instead of the birth of Nurgle.

Yup, that's true, but it's this fear of death that possibly started the forming of Nurgle amongst the warp.

ChrisWWII wrote:As I recall, Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch came into being around the Middle Ages. The War in Heaven is a bit too early for their birth. Maybe for the first seeds of their existence...but not their birth.

Yup again, the actions of the War in Heaven were possibly what started the chaos gods to take form and full birth around the middle ages.

Just a thought.