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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 05:52:22
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Lethal Lhamean
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If you have multiple units of PTP such as a unit of incubi and a unit of sucks fighting against multiple foes in cc, such as a character and a joined unit (not retinue) should the incubi kill pen of those units, such as the character, would the incubi get a pain token for wiping out an enemy unit in CC? Does that token should it come in take immediate effect? ( and thus affect lower init steps in the cc, because it now possibly provides FNP or fearless?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 08:46:10
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarthSpader wrote:? Does that token should it come in take immediate effect? ( and thus affect lower init steps in the cc, because it now possibly provides FNP or fearless?)
As far as I can tell and recall, there is no delay on the tokens and their effects.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 08:54:01
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tokens are immediate.
So if you have an I8 succubus kill an IC, for example, the Incubi joined to her would gain a PtP token (shared with her) that would be in effect immediately. This could mean they gain Furious Charge AND get to use it, assuming they assaulted that turn. It even makes fluff sense....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 10:38:46
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Lethal Lhamean
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apologies, i should clarify the question slightly.
ok the situation that had come up was:
a unit of my incubi and a unit of wyches lead by lillith charged a tau commander and some crisis suits (not the body gaurds just the normal ones). lillith and wyches direct attacks on commander, and fail to do much (he makes invuns) the incubi however manage to kill off the remaining crisis suits. now, the incubi and wyches are still locked with the commander, but do the incubi get a pain token for destroying the crisis team?
it was contended that since the combat was still ongoing i had not "wiped out" the enemy in that fight and therefore would not get a pain token untill the commander was slain. (as they were 1 unit when i charged) we diced for it and ended up ruling that i got the token, but in my gaming group multiple units fighting multiple units in CC happens often.. so this is something i would like clarified.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 10:45:14
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes, because they have killed a unit. The PtP rules are VERY clear: EVERY time you kill a non-vehicle UNIT you get a token.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 10:48:08
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Same as forcing a unit to fall back off the board doesn't make a token... whos know thou the might change the rules if enough people ask them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 15:01:59
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Sslimey Sslyth
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Unless I remember the PtP rule incorrectly, in a multiple combat, the unit obtaining the pain token is randomized; it doesn't automatically go to the unit who killed the final model.
Could someone check that for me to make sure?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 15:44:24
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It is randomized. You basically roll for it, electing each squad in that same CC as a "number on the die".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 22:05:19
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Lethal Lhamean
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But on multiple initiative steps, like wychs, incubi and lillith, vrs crisis suits, and 1 of those groups wipes out another group, but you still have other units fighting other units at lower initiatives. Since it's clear who wiped out the unit pain token should goto who made the attacks, or at least randomize between units at that initiative level?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/11/09 22:26:44
Subject: Power from pain and multiple comats
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, as it simply states all units in the combat get it randomised.
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