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I was playing a friend with my new guard army and he got upset and quit turn 2 stating that my army was broken. I was trying a mechanized guard list:

Past in a punisher with an executioner buddy,
Tank commander in a vanquisher with an executioner buddy,
Two veteran squads in chimeras,
A vendetta,
Three wyverns,
A basilisk, and
A mantacore.

 SQRT(-2) wrote:
I was playing a friend with my new guard army and he got upset and quit turn 2 stating that my army was broken. I was trying a mechanized guard list:

Past in a punisher with an executioner buddy,
Tank commander in a vanquisher with an executioner buddy,
Two veteran squads in chimeras,
A vendetta,
Three wyverns,
A basilisk, and
A mantacore.

Will crumple to DS and assaults. Its a pretty good list, for IG.

When I picture "mechanized", it is usually mobile troops with dedicated transports providing rapid repositioning with some heavy support.

I won't say it is broken, but it is a very vehicle heavy list with a lot of long range armor.

If his list is unprepared for such an army, he will be hard pressed to get an advantage.

What army/list was he playing?

I would say this is a strong list. But rude? No. Guard has very few strong lists left to them. This is one of them

He had a Tzench list of Aramon a bunch of sorcerers and thousand sons in rhinos with three vindicatiors. I was expecting to see his terminators and loose to power fist and psychic powers. (There is this Ray that is pretty good at tank busting)

He wanted to play my guard. He got me last time when I had a small blob in this list instead of the manticore and Pask.

One of his list is two of the bloodthirster switch the str D axe two min cultist and the rest is imperial Knights.

It is strong list, but not broken in any aspect. Maybe it is just a bad match up for him. He should take a few more meltas or haywire weapon if possible.

Ya, I understand bad matchups my sisters of battle would have a good chance, but I would not like trying to get within melta range.

 SQRT(-2) wrote:
I was playing a friend with my new guard army and he got upset and quit turn 2 stating that my army was broken. I was trying a mechanized guard list:

Past in a punisher with an executioner buddy,
Tank commander in a vanquisher with an executioner buddy,
Two veteran squads in chimeras,
A vendetta,
Three wyverns,
A basilisk, and
A mantacore.

Sounds like a pretty good list, but no its not broken or rude.

He was playing CSM (the worst army) with some of their worst units.
Your list isn't rude, his list sucks.

See my sig.

Your list is good, and his wasn't. Unless I am very much mistaken, I know your opponent personally (I'm from your hometown). He likes 1k sons and insists on running them even though they are subpar. Against many other lists, they can do alright, but against mech lists, they are garbage. Against me your opponent (assuming I'm right about who he is) usually runs a bunch of obliterators and mutilators, and I know firsthand how nasty Oblits can be (my poor Dark Angels have lost many battle brothers to them). He should have stuck with those instead of the vindicators, although your list might have annihilated those as well.

To summarize, your list was not rude. Guard are an underdog army that needs all the help they can get, and it is good to see them have a strong list.

This list looks good to me. It's not Necron or Eldar, nor knights... I'm happy.

Yeah, this is competitive Guards alright. But as long as you don't have any Knight, that is fine.

I wouldn't play that idiot again, its a game. Being a bad sport is pathetic.

This is a strong list but not impossible. Assuming you had a killer Turn 1 and absolutely destroyed me, sure, I might quit Turn 2 and ask for a rematch., but this isn't insanely hard.

 KhorneontheCobb wrote:
He was playing CSM (the worst army) with some of their worst units.
Your list isn't rude, his list sucks.

Agreement.

"He had a Tzench list of Aramon a bunch of sorcerers and thousand sons in rhinos with three vindicatiors."

Not a great match up for him, I'm afraid. However, you didn't do anything wrong, here. That's a competitive but not "rude" list.

Is he relatively new to playing?

Unless it flipped him the bird and insinuated a derogatory history of his mother being in fact part of a simean lineage, then defecated in his favorite shoes - I don't think your list is rude.

Sounds like guy just didn't expect your build, couldn't deal with it, is a sore loser and instead of a handshake and a "well played sir" - he devolved and called it something it isint.

I recently played a game of 40k. 1000 points, i was space wolves, he was necrons, he brought a monolith and 2 doom scythes, i was not prepared for them and conceded on turn 3 or 4.

to be fair he watched me make my list first which i wont let happen again.

your list is only dickish if you guys dont regularly play with lots of vehicles, and he got no warning what so ever about your list, also, if you just play kill points, that makes it lame without any warning

Sorry I gotta call bs on that.

If I pick up a game against Someone having played them or not, knowing what they use or not, I make a list with what I have and what I think will work. If the other guy does the same and he just happens to have a list that really hard counters mine, his list is not "dickish" or anything. Play the game to its conclusion, be a good sport and move on.

Calling the other guys list rude, dickish or OP just because he had stuff you didint think to counter or expect to see and thus got beaten by - is your fault alone. You know your army (or should) and know how it can handle various threats.

The list I'm working on now is a eldar 3 faction force. I know darn well it's weak to fliers. If I end up playing a guy spamming fliers - that's not his issue its mine. His list is not rude, broke or anything else.

Sheesh.

Im saying there are more factors than purely just army list. In an open environment like a flgs or a tournament, then sure the list is fine in every way.

However in a closed environment where 2 play may only play each other and/or only play kill points then as a "Friend" playing a "friendly" game. i would feel gakky if I didnt atleast be like "hey, btw im bringing lots of armor, or Im bringing more armor than usual dude be prepared." Especially if its the first time my opponent has seen anything like this type of list.

Unless the dud already knows you play IG, and have been in the process of collecting artillery, etc.

 Wolfnid420 wrote:

to be fair he watched me make my list first which i wont let happen again.

That's high up there on my pet-peeves list.

The FLGS I attend now, we bring 1000 point and 1500 point lists so we can throw down one or the other.

 Wolfnid420 wrote:
Im saying there are more factors than purely just army list. In an open environment like a flgs or a tournament, then sure the list is fine in every way.

However in a closed environment where 2 play may only play each other and/or only play kill points then as a "Friend" playing a "friendly" game. i would feel gakky if I didnt atleast be like "hey, btw im bringing lots of armor, or Im bringing more armor than usual dude be prepared." Especially if its the first time my opponent has seen anything like this type of list.

True, But I offered to replace some of the tanks with some infantry, I had brought them with me.

After re-reading your post and your post about his list that game and other recent lists realized that you guys seem pretty cutthroat so its not a case of OP, or even lack of friendly warning. Just a case of ill prepared for sure.

I play against the same few guys often. We know "generally" what the other has and brings, but we have been surprised on more then one occasion when the other guy (or me) shows up with something new or an unexpected list.

The game plays out, hands shake at the end, well played and done.

Even if the game is one sided and the other got a horrible matchup.

Your "friend is a sore loser"

 Wolfnid420 wrote:
After re-reading your post and your post about his list that game and other recent lists realized that you guys seem pretty cutthroat so its not a case of OP, or even lack of friendly warning. Just a case of ill prepared for sure.

His opponent is playing Thousand Sons. While I applaud using them, they are not a strong unit to field.

Unless he actively writes his list after seeing yours just to counter you (had a guy do this to me, never played him again), most lists aren't dickish. Sure, they can be cheesy, but they're not really TFG no matter how much OP they bring.

OP,

You where using a non optimized solo guard list. Your army is not ''broken'' or anywhere near close to broken. With that said it is a good solid list for normal non tournament play.

One has to realise Codex CSM's is in a very dark place, even Blood Angels and Dark Eldar can thank the gw gods for extending them that one last bit of hope. ''No Matter how bleak things get, at least we are not CSM''!

Now Thousand sons...they.. take that codex to even darker depths. Even the other CSM entries feel sorry for them. I mean if your opponent is going to insist on using incredibly bad lists he will lose allot, that's just the nature of the game and always has been. Unfortunately for that codex, fluffy lists pay a terrible price.

He should try to rework his list or fit in some allies if he wants to play vs Solid standard lists and win. He can also use conversions to keep things in the Thousands son theme.

No, I do not think it is rude.

 DarthSpader wrote:
I play against the same few guys often. We know "generally" what the other has and brings, but we have been surprised on more then one occasion when the other guy (or me) shows up with something new or an unexpected list.

The game plays out, hands shake at the end, well played and done.

Even if the game is one sided and the other got a horrible matchup.

Your "friend is a sore loser"

I dunno, I don't see anything wrong with conceding a game. Why waste the time if someone isn't having fun or the match is so horribly one sided that there's no way the other can win?

I play against a regular group of guys, so anecdotal is anecdotal. But no one is offended or angry if someone bows out of a massively unfavorable match. I played my Orks against a guy who brought two Imp. Knights. Even with Tank Bustas, I couldn't dent the Knights, and he eventually cleaned up my anti tank with some well focused firing from his Marines. I conceded turn three. Not out of spite, or out of bad sportsmanship. The match was just plain OVER at that point. I could have 'played it out', but I wouldn't have done anything. I'd just pass my turn, because we both knew I'd lost. I couldn't outrun two knights, and he had enough other things to occupy my objective scorers too. He just had the stronger list that day. No shame in knowing you've lost.

Of course, I didn't get mad, nor did he. He laughed about it a bit, talked, shook hands, and played another round with list adjustments.

On a side note: Your profile pic both makes me smile and terrified