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Would you count him as being strength 6 or strength 5? Raw there is nothing concering stacking weapons bonus from same weapons. So what would he be?

Your right there is no RaW on stacking weapon bonus's but in the rulebook (can't remember the page I'm at school so I don't have it on me) it says that if you have 2 weapons of the same type or 1 weapon and another 1 handed weapon you gain a +1 attack. The only thing that doesn't give you +1 attack is Power Fists, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields, and Lightning Claws unless you have two of them. Since, however, a Frost Blade is neither one of the aformentioned weapons it gets the +1 attack bonus if you give him a Frost Blade and a Bolt Pistol or Storm Bolter or something.

But sorry I ramble, its only because you mentioned RaW. No you do not get +2 strength for being armed with 2 Frost Blades you merely get a +1 attack bonus for having 2 of them. Just like you wouldn't be Strength 10 if you were armed with 2 Power Fists you just get the bonus attack.

Sanguinis wrote: Just like you wouldn't be Strength 10 if you were armed with 2 Power Fists you just get the bonus attack.

I keep looking more things up, but this sums things up better than I was going to.

Rules on page 42 are decently clear. It mentions weapon in singular form and you gain only the perk of +1 attack in addition to what you already had.

powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength so 4X2=8 then for the second powerfist you go again 4X2=8 where in the rulebook it says you add the strength bonus and where the frostblade says you add +1 strength to your profile 4+1=5 then you go 5+1=6 or 4+1+1=6 seeing as it clearly states that one frost blades adds 1+strength and it never covers an issue like this.

Actually page 42 there is rules on how it works.

Two of the same special weapon
These models gain one additional attack. All of the attacks, including the bonus attack, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties.

That's a quote taken straight from the rulebook. The word weapon's is singular, and means you'll only get the bonuses and penalties from one of the weapons. It's just like how having two powerfists will only double your original strength, not double it again.

Grey elder wrote:powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength

It does not say "basic".

Hard call, by codex rules the frost blade/axe is a powerweapon that add +1 S, so it actually is a powerweapon (kind of like jetbikes are a subcategory of bike, right?).
If you get the bonus from the weapons as well as an extra attack by wielding two of the same (as per BRB) you should get +2 S.
Unless they both add +1 to wielders S, and the bonus is fulfilled by the first weapon?

It says it adds +1 strength for holding a frsot balde hence he would strike at strength 6? would he not since it not effecting his attacks but actuals boost his stats instead. siting RAW

I would say Raw, you get that (type of)weapon's bonus + extra A when wielding two of the same (+2 S in this case).
But by common sense I guess you just wield one blade at a time and get +1 S each attack

Edit:personally I would onnly take +1S and +1A, so I might as well get a pistol for points saving.

Grey elder wrote:It says it adds +1 strength for holding a frsot balde hence he would strike at strength 6? would he not since it not effecting his attacks but actuals boost his stats instead. siting RAW

Except on [page 42 it states you fight with A weapon. Not 2 weapons, A weapon.

+1S.

Lone Dragoon wrote:Actually page 42 there is rules on how it works.

Two of the same special weapon
These models gain one additional attack. All of the attacks, including the bonus attack, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties.

That's a quote taken straight from the rulebook. The word weapon's is singular, and means you'll only get the bonuses and penalties from one of the weapons. It's just like how having two powerfists will only double your original strength, not double it again.

That apostrophe in "weapon's" is crucial - you gain +1 attack and the bonuses of one of the weapons.

Scott-S6 wrote:

Lone Dragoon wrote:Actually page 42 there is rules on how it works.

Two of the same special weapon
These models gain one additional attack. All of the attacks, including the bonus attack, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties.

That's a quote taken straight from the rulebook. The word weapon's is singular, and means you'll only get the bonuses and penalties from one of the weapons. It's just like how having two powerfists will only double your original strength, not double it again.

That apostrophe in "weapon's" is crucial - you gain +1 attack and the bonuses of one of the weapons.

That might as well refer to "the type of weapon's" bonuses, as much as referring to an assumed priority weapon's bonus. In fact, I think it must. Why would they phrase it as if you were only using one of the weapons? (and that hardly makes sence in the case of Power fists etc, or an ordinary handweapon would be far mor effective to grant an extra attack rather than another clumsy fist. But im getting in to fluff and apologise for rambling)

To take your two power fist example - you use the bonuses of one fist and get +1 attack. I'm suggesting that two frost blades works the same way.

Fayric wrote:I would say Raw, you get that (type of)weapon's bonus + extra A when wielding two of the same (+2 S in this case).
But by common sense I guess you just wield one blade at a time and get +1 S each attack

Edit:personally I would onnly take +1S and +1A, so I might as well get a pistol for points saving.

This is kind of what iam getting at. That it is a power weapon that adds plus one to the users strength. So if a model has two he there for has has strength 6 and an extra close combat attack for having two power weapons.


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kirsanth wrote:

Grey elder wrote:powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength

It does not say "basic".

What im getting this from is page 7 it says under multiple modifiers " If a model has a combination of rules or wargear that both add to and multiply one of its characyeristics, first multiply the BASIC value and then add the extra points."

Where does it say having a second weapon does anything more than +1 attack?

When you have a pistol + PW, you do not need to grant armor saves vs the +1 attack. . .why would you assume you get to use only the good parts?


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Grey elder wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

Grey elder wrote:powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength

It does not say "basic".

What im getting this from is page 7 it says under multiple modifiers " If a model has a combination of rules or wargear that both add to and multiply one of its characyeristics, first multiply the BASIC value and then add the extra points."

Cheers, good call. However you are still wrong in that the restriction has nothing to do with a powerfist.

kirsanth wrote:Where does it say having a second weapon does anything more than +1 attack?

When you have a pistol + PW, you do not need to grant armor saves vs the +1 attack. . .why would you assume you get to use only the good parts?


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Grey elder wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

Grey elder wrote:powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength

It does not say "basic".

What im getting this from is page 7 it says under multiple modifiers " If a model has a combination of rules or wargear that both add to and multiply one of its characyeristics, first multiply the BASIC value and then add the extra points."

Cheers, good call. However you are still wrong in that the restriction has nothing to do with a powerfist.

Why would this not restrict power fist? If you ahve more then oneon a model, you times the basic strength of the model once but in different equations to get strength 8? would this not be restricting somthing that has to do with a power fist?

I meant that you said that a powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength.

That is not a difference with the powerfist, unless you meant that the difference is multiplication--which makes little sense.

The restriction does affect the powerfist, but it is not affecting a powerfist differently.

That is what I was trying to say.

Apologies for the confusion.

kirsanth wrote:I meant that you said that a powerfist is different you multiply the BASIC strength.

That is not a difference with the powerfist, unless you meant that the difference is multiplication--which makes little sense.

The restriction does affect the powerfist, but it is not affecting a powerfist differently.

That is what I was trying to say.

Apologies for the confusion.

Yes that was the difference i was talking about the multiply Vs Adding.
Secondly does the model technically have to even use it to gain the plus 1 strength modifier could it not just been seen as a model with a power weapon that has strength 6.
Or the other scenario is where in combat he is seen as a strength 5 model but outside of combat he then benefits from the second frostblade making him S6 seeing as the blade adds 1+ to strength for having it?

Its pretty straightforward. The frostblade adds +1 to your strenght. Only reason to have 2 would be for fluff. The str bonus doesnt stack. The STR bonus is from the strenght/sharpness of the Krakens teeth that make the chainblade part of the weapon.

well, the powerfist doesn't give the model Str 8 or whatever, the powerfist just resolves hits at str 8. if, hypothetically, the model with the powerfist had to take a test of some sort based on his strength, i think he would have to take that test with str. 4.

since the sword actually modifies the base stat, i can't think of any reason why the stats shouldn't stack. that may be the WoW talking, though.

hemingway wrote:well, the powerfist doesn't give the model Str 8 or whatever, the powerfist just resolves hits at str 8. if, hypothetically, the model with the powerfist had to take a test of some sort based on his strength, i think he would have to take that test with str. 4.

since the sword actually modifies the base stat, i can't think of any reason why the stats shouldn't stack. that may be the WoW talking, though.

That is my idea ,that fluff wise it is utterly dumb, but in the off chance a strength test was requierd he would then be put at strength 6 so says page 7.

You have to choose ONE weapon to fight with.

+1S. Nothing more.

Where exactly does it say you have to choose one weapon to fight with? if that's the case then why do you get +1 attack from having 2 of the same special weapons if you HAVE to chose one weapon to fight with?

Page 42.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You have to choose ONE weapon to fight with.

+1S. Nothing more.

^This^

P42 is perfectly clear.

Ok where on page 42?

For the rule on using 2 of the same special weapons it says "These models gain one additional attack. All of the attacks, including the bonus attacks, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties"

I see nothing under the rules for special close combat weapons that says you HAVE to choose one weapon to fight with. The only place that says that is where it talks about using 2 differant special weapons.

So since it's not that clear on page 42 you should quote it for me just to be clear.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Ok where on page 42?

For the rule on using 2 of the same special weapons it says "These models gain one additional attack. All of the attacks, including the bonus attacks, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties"

I see nothing under the rules for special close combat weapons that says you HAVE to choose one weapon to fight with. The only place that says that is where it talks about using 2 differant special weapons.

So since it's not that clear on page 42 you should quote it for me just to be clear.

Note the lack of plurality in the highlighted section.

I'm a SW player, and would love if it stacked....it doesnt. Stop trying to weasel out of following the rules. The Frost blade gives +1 STR due to the krakens teeth or energized diamond the teeth are made of. The fluff is pretty clear, as well as the rules. Its +1 STR... no more, no less.

Frost Blade 1 increases the model's strength by 1. 4+1=5.

Frost Blade 2 increases the model's strength by 1. 4+1=5.

You attack at Strength 5.