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So there's this chaotic sunnuvawhatnow who keeps thrashing my Ultrasmurfs to the dirt with his smartass daemon-ness and he seems soemwhat invincible. The other day I took a good bite out of his infantry, but his Prince is just beyond annoyance...

My army is-
Sicarius
20 Tactical marines
5 Devastators
Predator with auto cannon/heavy bolters
10 Terminators

His army is-
Daemon Prince
Chaos Lord
8 Noise Marines
8 Khorne berserkers
15 Chaos marines
5 Termies
Rhino
Land raider

Please help me!!!
Who should I get,
What should I do?
The daemon prince of his is a particular nuisance, always thrashing its way through my infantry


Ultrasmurfs forevah!!

So what have you been doing? What are your units, and what are they armed with?

Get a lascannon on that Tactical Squad and get Sicarius to give them Tank-Hunters, use this guy to try and stop the Land Raider. A couple of meltaguns (possibly Land Speeders?) wouldn't go amiss for this role either.

To take down the Daemon Prince I'd recommend multiple Krak Missiles or Lascannons to weaken him at-least, then if you have any Thunder-hammer's should be able to finish him off.

I'd say the Land Raider is actually your main priority target due to its own worth and valuable pay-load, then the Daemon Prince.
Both will go down to high strength weapons, the Daemon Prince in particular. Meltaguns will work a treat on the Land Raider.

The Land-Raider and its contents, as well as the Daemon Prince and Khorne Bezerkers are the only real threat in that list IMHO. You should hopefully be able to stop ATLEAST the Landraider before it reaches your lines, if/when the Prince does, I'd recommend Sicarius and the Termies as counter-attack...

Hope that helps man.

HAHA You Puny Mortal , My Daemon Prince Is No Match For Your Army

So, with Sicarius, you've got a pretty good chance of going first. If your devs and tac squad have missile launchers or lascannons, pelt him with those on turn 1. If your terminator squad can get at least one turn of fire against him, that should pretty well finish him off.

The Noise Marine wrote:HAHA You Puny Mortal , My Daemon Prince Is No Match For Your Army

Uhm, did you mean to say that backwards?

The thing that is really sticking out to me, is the predator. Its loadout doesnt really do anything as far as downing a MEQ. Sure it makes then take saves, but a 3+ is a pretty good armor save, that load out is for anti horde/transports. If you can squeeze a better weapon on there (I dunno what kind of sponsons you can put on it but anyway to put a plasma cannon or something with better ap?)


What loadout did you go with the devs? Terminators? What did you put in the tacticals? I really think that your list should be doing good, but the weapons you took must be wrong or something along those lines

Do not use terminators against Daemons it never works!
Get sternguard. Lots of sternguard. Thats how I killed Skull taker. With 10 shots of sternguard and he was dead.

10 termies seem overkill. I think having 5 in a land raider would suffice or as said take sterns. A librarian with null zone could also be useful since IIRC daemon princes only have invl saves

kenshin620 wrote:10 termies seem overkill. I think having 5 in a land raider would suffice or as said take sterns. A librarian with null zone could also be useful since IIRC daemon princes only have invl saves

Yeah I agree Libbys are best way to go. I never have used Termies ever since they failed me and they were not worth the amount of points put into them.
Null Zone is a must

Hes playing against Chaos Space Marines... not Chaos Daemons I believe...

I second the sternguard idea. They are just badASS. Period. The special ammo they use, not to mention all the special weapons. They just murder things. The only sure fire way Ive dealt with them is to just assault the squad with a boyz mob asap. Even still Ill take heavy casualties in doing it

The Thing Is ..... Im Getting More Daemon Princes

The Noise Marine wrote:The Thing Is ..... Im Getting More Daemon Princes

What you should be getting is more knowledge of how to use the phrase "x is no match for y."

SG vets are solid--definitely load up on them.

But yes, we'd have better advice for you if we knew how your devastator, tactical, and terminator squads are equipped.

Libby with nullzone, sternguard with hellfire, double tap, that's a dead dp!

drop some termies and make it happen!

Daemon Princes rarely last long against focused fire. The devs & pred should be able to drop it in in 1 turn, 2 tops.

And, as mentioned, sternguard will make mincemeat out of him.

Nullzone won't do anything to a Chaos Space Marine Daemon Prince or a Chaos Daemon Daemon Prince with Iron Hide, since it only affects Invulnerable saves, and Hellfire ammunition doesn't doesn't have AP3-.

Nurglitch wrote:Nullzone won't do anything to a Chaos Space Marine Daemon Prince or a Chaos Daemon Daemon Prince with Iron Hide, since it only affects Invulnerable saves, and Hellfire ammunition doesn't doesn't have AP3-.

Well sternguard are just good. As they can take down things with ap3 and you can give them combi weapons.

If you want them to cost 30pts each...

Nurglitch wrote:If you want them to cost 30pts each...

They are so much better than TERMIS! One of my sternguard squads killed 20 termies.

I saw the krew of a battery of big guns (6 grots) wipe a squad of terminators in a single deadly volley of grotblaster fire.






...Doesn't mean I recommend grots vs termies (i.e- anecdotal games =/= tactical advice)



But seriously OP, take some sternguard. With combiweapons they are a surprisingly potent unit on the battlefield.

1300Telstra wrote:I saw the krew of a battery of big guns (6 grots) wipe a squad of terminators in a single deadly volley of grotblaster fire.






...Doesn't mean I recommend grots vs termies (i.e- anecdotal games =/= tactical advice)



But seriously OP, take some sternguard. With combiweapons they are a surprisingly potent unit on the battlefield.

I agree completely. Its like saying, well I beat a DP with 1 guardsmen once, so they are TOTALY badass against a DP. Or, well this one time I got a lucky strike on Calgar, on his last wound, and he died from a guardsmen. Same thing. Ya it can happen but its pretty unlikely

You mad? Chaos usually kicks face against other MEQs, depending on the build. I'm not really sure how you're losing, to be honest.

Take out the land raider and the berserkers before they get close. Focus lascannon fire on the DP and chaos lord too. Then bother with those midget infantry squads.

Is your army list correct? IE: 20 tactical marines? 1 unit? Split them babies up, termies too. Demon Prince saves can be overcome by mass small arms fire. Bring that predator up a notch with las on the sponsons, keep the autocannon. Devastators = fail, try regular marines or a dred w/multi melta, better for the points. Thunderhammers and storm shields bog down a prince for a couple of turns and possibly kill him. I'd personally go with 2 dual lightning claws, 2 thunderhammer/storm shields, 1 chainfist/combi melta. That's what works best against me and I play chaos with two princes and a lot of armor.

Uh, Thalor? I think you're describing Wolfguard, not Terminators or Assault Terminators.

Luke You Forgot To Add The Dreadnought Into Your Army List .

Also Its A Sorceror