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Where does it say - or does it - that you must move your falling back units first, before anything else happens when your turn begins?

Or is this a presumption still leftover from 4th Edition?

I guess the question is more about regrouping. It looks like, in 5th, that you regroup before your move your falling back units. But there's nothing saying you must move your falling back units first - you simply test to regroup when you choose to move them (allowing you time to get a Fearless bubble into range of them, etc.).

I can't seem to find anything. This must be a standard convention that most opponents want to see just how far that unit moves as it is now in a (slightly) fragile state. And, of course, I guess most of us want to see what the FallingBack unit does, as it has no choice and we would, accordingly, alter our other moves, depending on how far it retreated.

Whereas the other units have options.

What occurred such that waiting to move them was going to be helpful?

Brothererekose wrote:What occurred such that waiting to move them was going to be helpful?

He already mentioned the Fearless bubble (an Eldar Avatar, for example) which would make the unit regroup, and there's other rules/wargear that might help. Players have also thought about steering the retreating unit sideways so it won't run off the board so fast, commonly by placing another unit in the way.

Spetulhu wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:What occurred such that waiting to move them was going to be helpful?

He already mentioned the Fearless bubble (an Eldar Avatar, for example) which would make the unit regroup, and there's other rules/wargear that might help. Players have also thought about steering the retreating unit sideways so it won't run off the board so fast, commonly by placing another unit in the way.

Right. A fearless bubble isn't entirely helpful, though, unless it has a special wording. Simply gaining Fearless does not immediately regroup you, unless the specific rule says it does. Like Synapse range. Synapse range specifically mentions that you immediately rally. However, immediately becoming fearless causes you to rally regardless of restrictions in your following movement phase. So, normally, you'd move your Fearless unit up, see if you're in bubble range and, if you're not, see if your unit continues to fall back into Fearless range, where they will stay until the following movement phase, when they auto-rally.

However, in the Tyranids' case, a unit of Genestealers may be broken, but a Tervigon casts Dominion, moves forward and manages to get the Genestealers into its Synapse range. They would immediately rally, move their 3" and be good to go.

It doesn't say. You can move your units in any order you like. You do have to do it sometime in the movement phase, but the order is up to you.

Yes, you can do it in any order.

Necrons do it all the time with 'porting through the lith. They can now no longer make a fall back move as they cannot move any further...

Does that mean that a falling back unit absorbed by the monolith would regroup then? Or (technically) would they "fall back" out of the monolith on the next necron turn?

They are already on the table - when tey port they are immediately placed back on the table, they just are treated as if they had just disembarked.

Next turn they would fall back again, unless you pass / can take a Ld test to regroup before hand. Of course before they move you could always port them again.

So you can "recycle them" - and with real metal! And who says 40k wasn't good for the environment??

Yep. Seen it used at a tournament, as it kept the necron player above phase out, and usefully had 10 more rapid fire shots to use....

ToBeWilly wrote:It doesn't say. You can move your units in any order you like. You do have to do it sometime in the movement phase, but the order is up to you.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, you can do it in any order.

This leads me to ask, then, do they have to fall back? As in, do they have to actually move? If you choose not to move that unit (and hence, not to regroup), where is the rule stating that they must continue to fall back? Regrouping doesn't happen until you choose to move that unit. Is there anything saying that the unit must be moved?

Edit: This isn't rhetorical. I don't have my rulebook with me.

A unit falling back must continue to do so each subsequent Movement phase.

time wizard wrote:A unit falling back must continue to do so each subsequent Movement phase.

Gotcha thanks. So, they must keep falling back, but it's your choice when they do so. Guess it was a 4th Edition mindset that you must move them first.

Yep, in 4th you explicitly moved them first - now you have a chance for things like autoregroup to happen. It also means you have less "start of turn" things happening, which is always a good thing given how confused they get....

liam0404 wrote:So you can "recycle them" - and with real metal! And who says 40k wasn't good for the environment??

And Necrons are all about the green too!
**crickets chirp**

Speltulhu wrote:He already mentioned the Fearless bubble (an Eldar Avatar, for example) which would make the unit regroup,

@Spetulhu : I experienced total blindness on the Fearless example. Maybe I thought it was 'signature' text and skipped it. Thanks for pointing it out ... nicely.