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The rules state if you are behind cover , lets say an aegis defense line, you get a 4+ cover save. The rules also state that if your model is in base to base contact with a low barrier that you can shoot over it without your opponent receiving a cover save. But what if half your unit is in base to base contact with the low barrier, and half isn't. Does the unit Im shooting at get half saves? also are Aegis defense lines treated as difficult terrain, or are they impassable?
   
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1) Actually terrain classification varies, look at the table - can be 6+ to a 3+

2) You work it out how you would normally. If half the unit are giving cover saves to the enemy, then the entire unit gives cover - the specific situation of being next to a lateral structure is irrelevant.

3) It is however you define it, pregame. Like youre told to do in the rules....
   
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fixxxer76 wrote: The rules state if you are behind cover , lets say an aegis defense line, you get a 4+ cover save. The rules also state that if your model is in base to base contact with a low barrier that you can shoot over it without your opponent receiving a cover save. But what if half your unit is in base to base contact with the low barrier, and half isn't. Does the unit Im shooting at get half saves?

There really isn't any "half save" for a unit. Since shooting over a barrier doesn't normally confer a cover save, I would say they don't get one.

fixxxer76 wrote:also are Aegis defense lines treated as difficult terrain, or are they impassable?


The rules for the Aegis defence line are covered on page 18 of the Planetscape Book. They aren't defined specifically as impassable unless you and your opponent decide they are.

I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin
 
   
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Time wizard - see my answer. If you have half granting cover (that could be the ones not in base contact firing and being obscured by the aegis walls) then the unit gets a cover save, as normal when 50%+ of a firing unit are granting cover.
   
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Thanks a lot!!!!, totally forgot about the rule for if half the unit gets cover, they all do, duhhh. As for Aegis being impassable, From those of you who have experience with planet strike, Do you usually play them as difficult or impassable?
   
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As a rule of thumb, around here we generally play anything up to a model's head height as difficult, and anything taller as impassable unless there is an obvious way of getting over it (like a ladder or somesuch thing).

 
   
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I would not play them as impassable - it makes them impossible to assault over.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:Time wizard - see my answer. If you have half granting cover (that could be the ones not in base contact firing and being obscured by the aegis walls) then the unit gets a cover save, as normal when 50%+ of a firing unit are granting cover.


Correct nosferatu, that's why I said there were no "half saves". In the case of the Aegis defense line, the barriers are crenelated, some sections can be 'seen over' and others block the firing model's vision and therefore its LOS. I guess I gave too simplified an answer. In the question fixxxer76 asked, the answer would appear to be that if half or more of the firing unit't models are not in contact with the low barrier or wall, then the target unit would get a 4+ cover save. This is based on the 5th bullet point on page 22 of the BRB, even though it isn't explicitly stated as such.


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fixxxer76 wrote:Thanks a lot!!!!, totally forgot about the rule for if half the unit gets cover, they all do, duhhh. As for Aegis being impassable, From those of you who have experience with planet strike, Do you usually play them as difficult or impassable?


I play them as difficult. We discuss all terrain elements pre-game and make notes as to any elements that are considered impassable.

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I have found again and again that in encounter actions, the day goes to the side that is the first to plaster its opponent with fire. The man who lies low and awaits developments usually comes off second best. - Erwin Rommel
"For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged, by better information or fuller consideration, to change opinions, even on important subjects, which I once thought right but found to be otherwise." - Benjamin Franklin
 
   
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Ah right - no worries. My own confusion
   
 
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