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Silverdale, WA

I'm a total nub Blood Angel player, just started this army. But here's my question. My normal assault marines get 1 base attack... but also get chainswords and bolt pistols. I know a CC weapon is +1 attack; is a pistol one as well? And does it still work when I fire it? So, basically, Marine + Boltpistol + Chainsword = 3 Attacks, 4 on the charge, 5 on the charge with Red Thirst?

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An additional close combat weapon is +1 attack. So an Assault Marine with a Bolt Pistol and Chainsword gets 2 attacks on the backfoot, 3 on the charge. The Red Thirst confers Furious Charge and Fearless. Furious Charge confers +1S and +1I.
   
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Yes it does. Base + 2CCW + charge. Note you can have multiple bonuses but normally 2 of the same bonus don't stack. Also you may be thinking of SW that get 2+ attacks on the charge (forget the rule, it maybe headstrong)

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Silverdale, WA

Ah, okay. I misread that. Alrighty, so... still four attacks on the charge. I am happy.

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You only get another attack if you have an extra CC weapon, so although a bolt pistol and chainsword are both CC weapons, if you have only one or the other you don't have an extra CC weapon. So you only get an extra attack if you have two close combat weapons, not one extra attack for each CC weapon.

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Silverdale, WA

if you have only one or the other you don't have an extra CC weapon

All of them are kitted out with both Boltpistol and Chainsword, though... That is indeed two close combat weapons, right? That give a +1 to my attacks each, so base + 2? I'm confused.

OOHHH! I get it. I need two of the SAME CCW to get the extra attack, right?

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No, you just need to have more than one close combat weapon to get the +1 for having an additional close combat weapon.
   
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London, Uk

You get 1 attack, that is your base.
One extra attack because you wield 2 Close Combat weapons (restrictions apply, see below)
And finally, one more attack for charging.

Total: 1+1+1=3

Restrictions on 2CCW:
Pistol counts as an additional CCW.
No bonuses for more than 2 CCW
If you have a special CCW (powerfist, lightning claw, thunderhammer and the like) you need an identical weapon to get the extra attack, not just another CCW or pistol.

edit; typos

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Guardsmanius wrote:if you have only one or the other you don't have an extra CC weapon

All of them are kitted out with both Boltpistol and Chainsword, though... That is indeed two close combat weapons, right? That give a +1 to my attacks each, so base + 2? I'm confused.

OOHHH! I get it. I need two of the SAME CCW to get the extra attack, right?
No you don't ... they're both types of one handed normal close combat weapons.
(all combainations below are one handed weapons)
Two normal close combat weapons = +1 attack
One Normal & one Special close combat weapon = +1 attack ... unless that special weapon is a power fist, lighting claw or other weapon that must be in a matched pair.
Two of the same Special close combat weapon = +1 attack

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Silverdale, WA

Okay, I get it. I need an identical weapon to get +2, or two CCW's to get +1. What if I only have one CCW? No bonus?

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One close combat weapon: No bonus
Any number of additional close combat weapons: +1
Charging: +1
   
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Guardsmanius wrote:Okay, I get it. I need an identical weapon to get +2
... no only one attack... (+1 one on the charge)
, or two CCW's to get +1. What if I only have one CCW? No bonus?
no bonus
   
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London, Uk

No, you will never get +2. Just some weapons require that you have 2 identical weapons in order to get your +1.

If you have just one CCW, nothing happens.
   
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Silverdale, WA

OKAY. Thanks for walking me through this. XD

So. Most times, I need two CCW's to get the bonus, base + 1.

Powerfists and stuff, I need two identical ones to get the base +1.

I also get the +1 for the charge, so my max is Base + 1 + 1 = 3?

Is that right?

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London, Uk

Yep.

Also keep in mind, if you don't have a CCW, you can still fight in assault.
   
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Silverdale, WA

Alrighty, cool. Thank you all very much! ....Well, Thirty-one attacks is still decent. Yay for Assault Marines!

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Just for the sake of completeness the rules for all of this are on page 42. You may want to check it out to see which weapons are "special" and which are not.
   
 
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