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Sorry if i sound like an idiot here but in apocalypse what are the rules concerning minimum points for the army (i have heard its 3000 but i am not sure)and if so what units can be used in regular games.
secondly some units are exactly the same in the regular codex, so why are they their.
and again sorry if i am being an idiot asking this

Minimum is 3000pts in order for it to qualify for as an Apoc game. In regular games it's regular units - Apoc units are meant for Apoc not regular games, why else are they there?

Some units are the same because... they are No point changing what "works" already. Some get upgrades, some get placed into formations, etc. Heck you can always make a unit based off one from a codex and beef it to your liking.

Thanks for clearing that up

I've got an apocalypse question myself and to be honest, wouldn't be comfortable starting a new thread over it.

Had a hunt online but my searching abilities seems to have failed miserably.

So we had a 'veteran' Apocalypse player giving a load of us kind of an introduction to it at the club, we'd had the books etc and played a game or two in the past of it but nothing particularly huge scale.

To our surprise (and my horror), he then declared that all deep strikers can walk on from our/any board edges. Relating to page 23, bottom right hand corner.

Is this err... normal, a hotly contested thing, or just easter egg hunting and taking a sentence out of context?

Needless to say, having an Imperial Guard army and with him having the 'careful planning' asset, this 'reveal' somewhat coloured my enjoyment of the days events...

Apocolypse games need to be played with the understanding that noone should be a jerk or try to pull one over on people. The game is simply not balanced enough at that level with no force org restrictions.

Deep Strike can walk on via a table edge. If you don't want him walking up your backside you need to place model there to keep him off or Impassable Terrain.

Sorry if this seems dumb and for bringing it back up but what qualifies as an apoc unit and is imperial armor apoc and if so can some units in them be used in non apoc games thanks./

i am correcting then in assuming that Chaos Daemon models can walk on via the edge of the board?

So it would seem, Bloodhorror. But I'm not entirely sure so don't quote me on it.

Pg 23 says A table edge not any.

The rule means that A unit that can deep strike can either Deep Strike, or walk on from one of your table edges. Another example of poorly written rules by GW.

the main thing about apoc is you can throw the order of battle chart in the bin. want to put 4 hq choices on the table, ok, 20+ tanks,no worries. play super tanks,sure, it's about the only place you can use them.

jbunny wrote:Pg 23 says A table edge not any.

The rule means that A unit that can deep strike can either Deep Strike, or walk on from one of your table edges. Another example of poorly written rules by GW.

That was my interpretation of it as well, kinda hence me posting here.

But since the guys entire plan hinged on it, well, good of the game and all that jazz....

Another big catch was the flyers rules, particularly when they first turn up from reserves

My understanding was that they turn up, are placed down on the board and then move their distance in that turn (thus allowing bombing runs etc).

His claim was, that them being placed down was their movement and that was that, with 'subsequent move phase' referring to further turns, meaning no bombing runs on the turn they arrive. - Personally, that seems a bit crazy again.

I'm planning on holding my own Apocalypse game in the future and would like to know 'for sure' about these things.

Thanks

Compel wrote:Another big catch was the flyers rules, particularly when they first turn up from reserves

My understanding was that they turn up, are placed down on the board and then move their distance in that turn (thus allowing bombing runs etc).

His claim was, that them being placed down was their movement and that was that, with 'subsequent move phase' referring to further turns, meaning no bombing runs on the turn they arrive. - Personally, that seems a bit crazy again.

It does indeed mean that they don't get to move that turn. However, they can still (theoretically) perform a bombing run, as explained in the bombing run rules. (4th paragraph)


Although exactly how that works is a little messed up, as you're supposed to sort out bombing flyers at the end of the movement phase... and on the turn they arrive from reserves, they would be coming on at the start of the turn instead. I would go with declaring the bombing run when the flyer arrives from reserves, but resolving it at the end of the phase as normal... but it's probably something to discuss with the players before the game.

It needs to be stated again: The object of an Apoc game is not to "Win" per say, but to kill as many of your opponents units as you can while getting all of your units wiped out. Because, a week later, no one is going to remember that red team won 5 objective points to 4, but they WILL remember that 50-man ork Waaaagh that crashed into that Crimson Fist Assault terminator squad with Lysander, a Chaplin, and a Libby. THEN the Reaver titan showed up! And remember when those 'Guants got stomped by the bio-titan? or...

Rules questions and clerifications should fall upon one designated person. In a One on One match, the two players will work things out. Alot harder when these 5 disagree with those 3. The store owner is a good choice for this. Or, if that wont work, there is useally at least one super knowledge-able guy that is known to be quite fair with his calls.

foor301 wrote:Sorry if this seems dumb and for bringing it back up but what qualifies as an apoc unit and is imperial armor apoc and if so can some units in them be used in non apoc games thanks./

an Appoc unit would technically be anything that is inside the Appoc rule book or it's expansion. So Titans, Stompas, Formations of models that are in a codex with some new rules added....


IA books are a different set of rules put out by Forge World(a company owned and operated by GW) in their own Codex Equivilants that are meant to be used alongside the relavent GW codexs. they might change the FoC, add some awsome units and other things.


OT: i view FW books as being official. they are owned by GW so i belive they should allow some of the FW products in tournaments. you payed the extra money to get some shiny toy from FW so you deserve to use it.