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Pretty much exactly what it says on the tin: Is old Wulfy and pals in Seafang worth it? He rings in at ~65 points more than a similarly equipped Exalted Champ, for which you get +1 WS and I, challenges that can not be refused, +2 str and rerolls vs 1 model in the enemy army, and probably most importantly the ability to be in reserve with a unit of marauders and come in from any table edge after you roll sufficiently.
Now, the downsides as I see them are that his unit can't charge the turn it arrives (unlike 40k) and so spends a turn saying "Hey guy's, 'sup?" while your opponent gets to react. Combined with the fact that poor rolling will put him on the board as late as turn 5 (though more likely 3) this may result in him never getting to actually attack anything if you opponent hasn't left units in his backfield. It seems that he can effectively remove a marauder unit from affecting the game at all, which is sad. Then again, he can come in early and ruin a gun line's day, or run over some sorcs etc.

So what do you guys think? I rarely see the fellow in lists, but he seems like he could be a decent choice. What say you Dakkites?!

Under certain circumstances, he can be quite handy. I guess the real question is whether he can be good enough to find a place in an all comers list. There's a guy here who runs him with a unit of 30 marauders w/mark of khorne and flails. Kind of sucks to have that drop in on your back field.

And for certain characters, he's absolutely awesome. Great if you can make it into a wizards block, and pretty sweet for cutting a Slann out of Temple Guard.

The trick is getting him there when you're on foot...

RZ

Yea, I was noodling about putting him with 25 Khornate marauders with flails, or possibly 30 with GW. I suppose one good option as well is that you don't actually have to leave him in reserves, so if you are facing a WoC or Beastman army that doesn't shoot you could leave him out to play grabass with sorcs.

Hmmm... then again, maybe I just have too many models in search of rules

He also pwns teclis with a mighty unstoppable pwnage.

I have him in my list. Iam new to WoC and when reading the army book thought he sounded cool! So i decided to put him with a unit of 36 marauders (when i made my models i stupidly put hand weapons and shields on, wish it was GW's).
Anyway i have played to of my friends since and both have spent the game worrying when and where he will come on, instead of watching my main force!

When he does come on, altough you stand there for a turn your opponent has to react.

Hes a risk, but worth a try with some khorne marauders, he works well with a mobile chaos army, as if he comes in early, he either takes attention from the rest of your fast horde or starts cutting things down, or if he comes in late, then he still can be able to flank and assist the remaining army... Don't take him as the ace of the army, hes a good supporter, and should used in supporting roles (taking out the trash thats to damn far in enemy territory like artillery)

From a Beastman General's point of view; he is a very good investment.
He is far more reliable than any ambushing unit that we have. (Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!)
If you pick your targets right, he will recoop his cost well. 2 str vs a marked target means he can cut down many generals/ BSBs, or Sorcs.

If you have a large enough unit of marauders, the enemy would have to pour EVERYTHING in the shooting phase to make you run off.
Even if they did, that means that your Warriors, Knights, shrines, etc have now moved un-impeded into battle.

From my experience with ambushing (quite a bit), the sheer psychological advantage is amazing. Popping a large unit onto the field behind the enemy (or on the flank) can make the opponent panic. Panic is your friend.

Best of luck

Thanks for the input guys! Wulfria might lead her savages into combat here in the near future. (measured in geological time scales at least)

"Wulfria"

Picked her up on sale at Cold Wars some years back, and I've been trying to figure out what to do with her for a long time now. The wolf hilt and head on her shield at least fits the name... :-P That and I have a mess of Lanyfs of the Black Woods I want to use for something. I am thinking MoK with flails to sort of hit the "furious charge" feel that is missing, and the lack of additional hand weapons on marauders.



Turns out I have a lot of models in search of rules to use them with :-P

So I hate me some special characters and am all for never taking them - and my group and the NE events agree.

That said, that is about the perfect Wulfria Her sporran is a little intimidating () but she totally looks the part. Also, 500x better than the awkward-to-hell GeeDub model.

- Salvage

Excessively long pubes, what?

She is a LOT better, I agree. Bloody GW model looks like he is halfway through a cask of scotch, and starting to forget the words to "Tu la ru larura"

I don't know how worried I am about OP WoC special characters. Everyone I keep thinking you could make a better character a little cheaper. Valkia is neat, but no ward save. Slaaneshi boy is ok. The hero level ones seem to be where it is at, but even then no ward makes me a sad panda. The poor nurgle bloke doesn't even have armor :(

Throgg though, he is made of sex and win. And copious vomit

Wehrkind wrote:
Throgg though, he is made of sex...

This statement means there's something wrong with you, Wehrkind.

Throgg is a bit absurd, I'm experiencing it first hand . Kind of nice for me, obviously, and my group kindly only banned lord-level characters so that I could take him.

If you hadn't already claimed a spot in my sig space, Wehrkind, the above quote would've made the cut

Looking forward to hearing about how "Wulfria" does in-game if you try her out!

Red_Zeke wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:
Throgg though, he is made of sex...

This statement means there's something wrong with you, Wehrkind.

Hehe, see, I am more worried about the fact I failed to make a "Gift of Tongues" joke about Wulfria there Must be something wrong with me!

Throgg is fairly sexy though, you have to admit, at least stat wise. He might not be 36 24 36 , but 6 5 2 6 5 4 2 5 8 ain't too bad

I will let you know how she pans out though, but bear in mind that Dakkacon will mark game #2 of WHFB for me, so other than math and previous historicals experience, my sense of things isn't worth much.

I have a feeling I'm not going to be totally in for showing up in East Texas on Dakkacon Friday, then hoping into the IMMOL8R to sit in rush hour traffic down to Philly for some BFG nonsense. So unless you're hell bent on going down, I'm happy to run you through a couple full power games of 8th edition vs my skaven-things that night. Clearly using the Drunkhammer scenario for game two

Re: Throgg, my list was originally intended to use him, and with the number of trolls and monsters I'm using he'd do me loads of good and pretty fluffy. But I think he's a good example of a SC that's far too good for his points, and while I've rocked a couple people's faces off using him, I didn't feel 100% great doing it. And like I said, no SC up here now any more

- Salvage

That's cool, but bear in mind that if you want to roll down Thursday that's good too. I will be part time by then and probably won't be working at all Friday, or only just in the AM, so that will work too. Not that I am not all for Drunkhammer I am a cheap date, after all.

I do agree Throggy is pretty tough, though I kind of wonder if people just are not used to facing him enough. No saves vs. flaming is pretty rough, and since he is usually at the head of a trolly deathstar, I should think pouring some fire into them before they make melee should suffice for many missile capable armies. Then again, might be hard to get those flaming shots... I don't know the other army books' options well. I suppose that is a big bonus of the lores of Fire and Metal too, the flaming shots.

Wehrkind wrote:I do agree Throggy is pretty tough, though I kind of wonder if people just are not used to facing him enough. No saves vs. flaming is pretty rough, and since he is usually at the head of a trolly deathstar, I should think pouring some fire into them before they make melee should suffice for many missile capable armies.

Hence why my theorizing ended up with him in a unit of tizz ogres wearing chaos armor. Throgg is more than capable of racking up kills, while the 6+ ogres give him a ton of 4/6+ ablative wounds, and also help punch things to goo.

I'll be teaching Friday until it looks like 12:00 or so, so the earliest I could be down that week would be 3-4:00 on Friday. Still plenty of time to throwdown (/up).

- Salvage

Ahhh that makes sense. Give him some meat shields with better saves and rely on the random shooting distribution to deal with it. He can still act as a General/BSB to the local trolls, but have better saves. Very clever

Sounds good for that Friday. We can rock the six siders and booze, then stagger down to Dakkacon Saturday and Sunday. Get here at 4 and we can get 2-3 games in, or we can even play some Chaos in the Old World or Dominion that evening, if one of your d6's ends up embedded in the basement wall