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After reading a whole bunch or stuff on dakka, I have noticed that many of us ork lovers dont seem to like them mega-nobs. Used them once in a game, and they seemed to do well. But could anyone explain what is the real problem with them? So I can think differently in using them, and stop thinking that they were all down to luck in that one game.

Thanks.

They die horribly to Assault Terminators of either variety.

I actually like small squads of MANz; they're cheap enough that I don't care if they die to an elite assault unit and still fighty enough to completely wipe out entire troop squads or vehicles.

I'm no pro since I just started playing and have only played 3 games so far. What I think though is that they are expensive and slow. If used well they can be rather powerful but you practically need to put them in a Battlewagon for them to be useful. If you put a full squad of 10 in a Battlewagon, maybe add a character in there, they are powerful. But that will cost around 500 points too.

So while they are powerful, they are expensive, slow and almost require that you build around them to some extent. I think the biggest problem is that the Orks have so much that is far better than the Meganobz.

If you're playing for fun against a friend, they are really awesome to use though =)

The problem is that they are Terminator cost with no Inuln. That, and it's impossible to diversify large squads so they are less survivable and more expensive than normal Nobz all around.

Small squads with Mad Doc Grotsnik as an HQ can be moderately effective, but will still be outperformed by regular Nobz.

sourclams wrote:
I actually like small squads of MANz; they're cheap enough that I don't care if they die to an elite assault unit and still fighty enough to completely wipe out entire troop squads or vehicles.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

3 MANz can be armed differently. If your opponent wants to kill them, he needs to commit reasonable (not a great amount, but certainly far from trivial) firepower onto a 130 point unit. If they get ignored (like say, because there's 90 other orks coming their way as only 3 targets), they're going to punch above their weight after they make contact.

It's a throwaway unit with almost all upside.

Nob Bikerz are just a tad bit more expensive, but we all the story there. Most people likely pass up MANz for them.

I'd rather just spend the points on a unit of Nob Warbikers.

As mentioned above the lack of an Invunerable save really hurts them. But I do hope to try them with the Mad Doc soon.

Good:

Relatively cheap for Nob stat line with powerclaw.
2+ Save

Bad:
Termie cost with no invulnerable
No painboy so no access to an invulnerable
No waagh banner so not as killie as a regular nob.
Slow & purposeful movement so can get stranded
Low leadership for high cost unit.
Not able to one-off build each meganob for wound allocation. (Limited to combi-weapon differentiator.)


They have a role but it is probably not 10 meganob unit.
Examples above of the ork equivalent of the CSM termicide unit would be a possible place for them.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Nob Bikerz are just a tad bit more expensive, but we all the story there. Most people likely pass up MANz for them.

I dislike Bikers due to inability to travel up ruins and vulnerability to missiles. One LF squad blinks their way and 2/3 of your squad is gone, quite possible 3/3. MANz can shrug it off.

A troop MANz unit (bought with WB of course) actually makes a great back-field objective holder. If they can sit in cover they're damned hard to kill even with plasma and there's very, very few non-dedicated assault units that can scrape 3 MANz off of an objective.

sourclams wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Nob Bikerz are just a tad bit more expensive, but we all the story there. Most people likely pass up MANz for them.

I dislike Bikers due to inability to travel up ruins and vulnerability to missiles. One LF squad blinks their way and 2/3 of your squad is gone, quite possible 3/3. MANz can shrug it off.

A troop MANz unit (bought with WB of course) actually makes a great back-field objective holder. If they can sit in cover they're damned hard to kill even with plasma and there's very, very few non-dedicated assault units that can scrape 3 MANz off of an objective.

Can they take objectives then? I understand that they can be taken as troops but I thought they still couldn't hold objectives.

If taken as troops then they can hold objectives.

Cool =) I'm fairly new, I had gotten it wrong then ^^

When you take a Warboss, you may take a single MANz or regular Nobz unit as a troops choice.

sourclams wrote:When you take a Warboss, you may take a single MANz or regular Nobz unit as a troops choice.

Yeah that I understood but I was under the impressions that they couldn't take objectives, that they still counted as elites if you understand what I mean. I just started playing so I'm still learning the rules, but I knew that they could be taken as troops =)

Anyway, don't let me derail the thread. Back on track.

Mek= dekkdread as troops= awesome to hold objective!
If only it worked for kkans as well, sigh...

Bryce-2-Good87 wrote:Mek= dekkdread as troops= awesome to hold objective!
If only it worked for kkans as well, sigh...

Vehicles can never hold objectives. Sorry.

Vehicles as such can never hold objectives, even if they are troops. So Deff Dread holding an objective is not an option even with Big Mekk.

Maybe I face Tau too often, but a 3 man squad is going to have to take a leadership test after only one casualty, which is not difficult to get from a strength 10 ap 1 railgun shot. I use mega nobz, they can be effective, but as mentioned without a battlewagon and/or the addition of a independent/special character they're not very points effective (mad doc or warboss with boss pole)

Tazok wrote:Maybe I face Tau too often, but a 3 man squad is going to have to take a leadership test after only one casualty

Why make a big deal about the unlikely? They pass more than they fail, and they can rally even if they fail.

Hide em in Boyz squads and they'll always have cover saves.

What about mega nobs and ghaz?

DarknessEternal wrote:

Tazok wrote:Maybe I face Tau too often, but a 3 man squad is going to have to take a leadership test after only one casualty

Why make a big deal about the unlikely? They pass more than they fail, and they can rally even if they fail.

Hide em in Boyz squads and they'll always have cover saves.

I disagree. If you have to surround them by boyz to hold an objective, than why not just go with a bunch of boyz in the first place. That 130 point 3 man squad in most cases is easier to take down than the 20 plus boyz you could have for the same points. Plus you have to take that warboss for them to be able to even hold an objective (that's another 60 point plus investment)

The hiding is Boyz is while they're advancing. Orks shouldn't bother holding anything they start near.

You're probably being sarcastic, but good luck winning anything other than kill point battles then.

Tau are going to have so many problems facing down the mass of Boyz charging at their objective that the likelihood of them having plenty of spare railgun shots to deal with 3 MANz gone-to-ground in cover on an objective is somewhat unlikely.